Who would win a Canelo vs Floyd Rematch at 154?

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're trolling by calling this thread trolling. I am not trolling here. The fact that you won't even consider a rematch and calling it trolling shows how scared you are that Canelo would beat Floyd at 154.
     
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  2. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    canelo is 23 years of age, a still-growing young man, and to get technical, he weighed in at 153 against trout, so it wasn't two pounds, it was ONE POUND. you're using a one pound weight difference as explanation for the vastly different in-ring showings by canelo against trout and against mayweather, not the sea of ring iq, skill and experience that exists between mayweather and trout. Not that, but one pound instead. one measley pound on a kid who is closer to his teens than his thirties. no matter how you slice it, that's a slight against floyd, so whether you acknowledge him as an atg and say he's proven that standing in the ring and so on, you are simultaneously discrediting the man.

    fortunately though, it doesn't matter, because all you're doing when your argument is examined, is banking on one pound that no one involved with the fight or who actually TOOK PART IN THE FIGHT came close to acknowledging as a detriment, and some imagined time to come where floyd's decline and canelo's betterment will make a canelo win possible.

    When you look at it that way, no offense man but you really dont have anything.
     
    m8te, Sep 17, 2013
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    my question still stands, if the weight wasn't an issue, then why did Floyd negotiate his way from 147 up to get a catchweight? If it was only 1 lbs, like you say, then why did Floyd even make a big deal about it at all? Why did he make it a part of the contract? Why wasn't it just a normal 154 lb fight like it was against Cotto? (so there's no excuses)

    I answered your question, are you going to answer mine? Floyd discredited himself...as a man with the Catchweight. After that, his creditability was shot to sh*t. So, as a man, he deserves to be criticized for being a hypocrite. As a boxer, he's an ATG. No bones about that.
     
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  4. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    maybe it meant something for floyd. maybe it made him more comfortable. we aren't talking about floyd's reason for the catchweight. we're talking about the effect one pound had on canelo alvarez, and nothing suggests that it had any effect at all, unless you want to discredit floyd mayweather, which your opinions are beginning to suggest.

    ONE POUND, A MYTHICAL PRIME AND A MYTHICAL DECLINE.

    This is all you have.
     
    m8te, Sep 17, 2013
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You started to answer the question, then tried to change the subject. You're missing a VERY KEY point here: The fact that it was Floyd who created this whole Catchweight situation. That is why it is important that you answer the question fully. The effect that it had on Canelo is pretty clear cut. I am going to put this in bold and capitalize it:

    CANELO WEIGHED 7 LBS LESS THAN HE DID IN THE TROUT FIGHT

    That is the equivalent of an entire weight division. With all the added focus put on fight night weights going into the fight (as justification for the Catchweight), that would seem to be the most significant piece of information as to how much of an affect that it had. I think there was even a poll here after the weigh-in but before the fight on how much Canelo would weigh on fight night and the chioces were "160+" and "170+" and it was about even. Most people expected Canelo to come in at around 170 (instead of 172). Instead Canelo came in much lower on fight night, at 165. This to me suggests that cutting 1 or 2 lbs resulted in a dramatic drop in weight on fight night. (and not just 1 or 2 lbs) It probably had to do with the diet he was on, I heard he only could only eat fruit in the days leading up to the fight to ensure he made 152. He was forced to take a different diet to lose those 2 pounds, and it affected his ability to re-hydrate above 170 after making weight with the same level of energy and stamina he had before.

    I think Floyd himself said it best: Cotto was dehydrated and not at his best when he lost to Pacquiao. Floyd still considered him an undefeated fighter because of the CATCHweight.
     
    shadow111, Sep 17, 2013
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  6. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stupid stupid stupid. Camelot. Lost every round. Rematch not justified. Who would buy it. Camelot looked like a very bad sparring partner.
     
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  7. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** thread. why don't you guys ignore the troll thread starters? They are attention whores. Kill that and they go away.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :|
     
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  9. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    There will be a rematch like it or not.
    (It will be Floyd's last fight)

    Can't write a fighter off for a "fight" lost on PTS.
    It's not like he got KTFO & had lost 2 of his last fights going in.
    Alvarez lost a fencing match Vs. a master..

    Not like he was put to sleep or anything. (Not even close)
     
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  10. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd, all day every day. But then, you had to be a little delusional or hoping that Mayweather was going downhill to think he'd lose even before this fight.
     
    The Wanderer, Sep 17, 2013
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  11. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    :yep

    sure bro
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have no response because you can't counter the truth.
     
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  13. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    nah. I just cant deal with your delusion any longer. no progress has been made. there's no point in going around in circles. believe what you want.
     
    m8te, Sep 17, 2013
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  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not delusional. I am telling it like it is. Isn't a 7 lb fight night weight difference from one fight to the next significant?

    There is a point in having this discussion. People have been brainwashed by the press to believe that this fight was a shutout.
     
    shadow111, Sep 17, 2013
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  15. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    Floyd, 2 pounds North and just as easy as the last time. Mayweather's too good.
     
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