Who would win between Wilder and Frazier?

Power is only an asset if you have the ability to land it.

 

Bad style matchup for Joe, I think he’d succumb to Wilder’s power and be out on ***** Street regularly before he got stopped.

 

Probably wouldn't need to. Wilder doesn't uppercut. Joe wrecks him with body work if it goes past 5.

 

Frazier wrecks him imho.

 

Maybe the Wilder camp watches Frazier film and works on his uppercut?

 

Mark
Have you learned ANYTHING concerning boxing? ANYTHING????? A great low crouching hwt can negate height and reach differences via fighting small, making the taller hwt punch down and reach to hit his target and in process then vein range for the smaller man’s punches. LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE SPORT!

 

Possible, but Wilder needed to get to Tyson Fury's body to stop his lateral movement. He didn't. Either wouldn't or couldn't wich is a pretty big failure of game planning for the biggest fight of his career.

Even still it would take time for Wilder to sort out the mechanics of it, learn to put it in combination, finding the timing and distance of it. And even still not all uppercuts are created equal. It also causes the same same problem Ali had with Joe, you drop a hand to throw it and that Smokin' left hook is waiting for it.

Wilder I would guess is not close to as physically strong as Foreman was. Foreman spent half of their fights pushing and half uppercutting. Can Wilder push Joe back? Without getting his ribs wrecked by one of the best ring cutters in heavyweight history?

I just don't see it for Wilder.

 

Another classic boxing myth based on a just kernel of truth and mostly a handful of fights against limited big men who didn't fight big.

 

Does Wilder control space well? Or does the fact of outside of Fury he could use his outstanding physical ability to cover up his inadequacies against the below average competition he faced? Tyson Fury exposed Wilder for what he is, heavy handed but a novice as far skills are concerned. Wilder certainly was great "controlling distance " against Fury, the only real live body he faced.

 

Fury is an evasive 6'9, 85-inch giant who fights off his back foot. Wlad couldn't control distance against him either.

 

I think it would be a waste of time and a mistake. Weird that so many people seem to think that you can only beat Frazier if you fight like George Foreman and have all of Foreman's attributes.

Wilder would be best off fighting off his back foot, jabbing and firing long 1-2s at Frazier's head whenever he crouches or bobs. It would also be important that he avoid reaching/leaning in with his punches, consistently gets his weight back after his punches, and keeps his elbows down and in and a glove up when he is in range. He would also need to give Frazier enough movement to prevent him from consistently planting and putting all his weight into a big hook. Then spin out, hold or stiff arm or jog away from him if necessary, and reset. Rinse and repeat.

 

The thing you never do with a swarmer is run from him because then you give him his momentum.Angelo Dundee.

 

No offense to Angelo but that’s just a silly overgeneralization. I assume he said it some time before the Leonard-Duran fights?

Seems like it would make a lot more sense to hit and move against a shorter opponent with slower feet than to stand your ground and physically overwhelmed and worn down, but what do I know?

 

Guess that was Dundee´s plan too when Berbick brought him in instead of Futch for the title defense, standing directly in front of the swarmer taking a beating….

 

TBH I've never thought that much of Dundee A great motivator but not trainer on a par with a Futch or an Arcel.I just included the quote for interest sake.