Who would win between Wilder and Frazier?

Wilder actually did a good job cutting Fury off.

 

I'll watch the fight again. But that's not saying much because Fury is more a lumbering unorthodox giant than a great mover.

 

Foreman beat Frazier by knocking him out. The same Foreman who telegraphed his punches. Who wasn't as quick as Wilder, as tall or rangy as Wilder. No one is expecting Wilder to outbox Frazier the way Ali did.

 

Frazier also ate a TON of hard punches in the Ali fights. And I disagree that it was the result of some kind of sophisticated Ali ring wizardry. Frazier just wasn't nearly as elusive or as hard to find as some people make him out to be. For all the talk of his bobbing and weaving and head movement, he was actually a lot like Marciano in that his punching power and his relentless pressure were really the main attributes that kept men from teeing off on him. I think his style of bobbing-and-weaving would actually be a liability against a powerful big man with good foot speed. It took him too far out of fighting position a bunch, and would actually make his head a safe target for Wilder, on at least some occasions.

This would be one of those "who takes whose power best" fights, imo.

 

Ortiz is not a pressure fighter. He was trying to counter punch a guy with a ton of height and reach on the outside. It can be done but it's not advisable.

 

The same Foreman who was STRONG AF and posessed one of the Best uppercuts in heavyweight history.

 

He really didn't.

 

If he took 5 rounds to figure out an uppercut is what he needed, Joe would have already ruined his ribs.

 

Frazier's defense is DESIGNED to get underneath hooks and straights. How well did Ali do running away from Frazier? Do you think Wilder has faster feet? Is better at taking angles or has half the clinch game or ringcraft of Ali? The only thing Wilder does better than ALi is power punch. But he GENERALLY doesn't throw the type of punches that TEND catch Frazier. Realistically Wilder has a punchers chance. That's about it.

 

In no way, shape or form did Bonecrusher Smith hit as hard as Wilder.

Bonecrusher's nickname was almost comical. He basically had the same KO percentage as Carl Williams. If Carl called himself Carl "Bonecrusher" Williams and Smith named himself James "The Truth" Smith, nobody would call Smith a knockout puncher.

Smith knocked out about 50 percent of his opponents.

That's why Marvis Frazier went 10 rounds with him. Because Bonecrusher didn't hit as hard as Deontay Wilder.

What is it with this board and Wilder? Christ.

 

Wilder isn't strong af? Frazier was hurt by punches other than uppercuts (straight right). You don't need to possess the best uppercuts in heavyweight history to beat Frazier. It does make things easier. But it's not a requirement.

 

Can you elaborate? What could've Wilder done better? I thought he did a good job cutting the ring off but he could've led better. He abandoned the body jab and he was looking to land bombs when he trapped Fury. Which obviously gave Fury enough time to either clinch or circle.

 

Of course his defense is designed to get under punches--maybe I'm missing something? That sure didn't stop him from getting hit in the head and the face with hard, flush punches though. I'm not saying he'd be a sitting duck all night but the idea that Joe just uses his bob and weave to walk right through Wilder without eating anything big sounds completely implausible to me.

I know this is sacrilege but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Wilder had an easier time staying out of Frazier's effective punching range than 70s Ali did. With the enormous reach advantage, Wilder can reach Frazier well before he's in range to get off himself, and push/stiffarm Frazier without making himself as vulnerable to the body. And he might not have "fast feet" like Ali, but with his leg length and agility, Wilder can take 2-3 quick steps backward and be halfway across the ring in a couple of seconds. Not saying Joe wouldn't catch him but all of this has the potential to present some significant challenges.

 

I think Joe Frazier's left hook could do incredible damage to Wilder's thin frame and chin, if Wilder stood there and let him tee off.

Then again, I also thought Pipino Cuevas' left hook and Roberto Duran's left hook could do incredible damage to Tommy Hearn's thin frame and chin ... until the fights began.

But I think Wilder is too damn tall and hits too damn hard for Joe.

And Wilder is an expert at controlling the distance in a fight and closing space quickly with punches fighters don't see coming. Wilder doesn't jab much, because his opponent is usually too far away for either of them to land. Then Wilder closes the gap in a second or two before they know what's about to happen.

He'd hammer Frazier as Joe came in. HAMMER him. And if Joe bowed too low (as he was bobbing and weaving), Wilder would catch Joe on the back of the head as Joe bent over.

It just sounds like a bad night for Joe. Terrible match-up for Joe. Joe's only hope would be for Wilder to break his right hand on the top of Joe's head, which has happened to Wilder before.

Given that Foreman dropped Joe eight times, Bonavena dropped Joe twice early, Mike Bruce dropped Frazier and even Ali badly staggered Joe in the second round of their rematch ... I think Wilder catches Joe coming in and if Joe manages to get up once, he doesn't get up the second time.

Wilder KO early.

 

That's not sacrilege. Wilder is routinely six feet or so away from an opponent, and within a second or two he's closed the gap and is landing hard shots.

Ali peppered Frazier (who took a ton of shots), then Ali would pull Frazier in. Wilder doesn't 'pepper' or pull anyone in.

It wouldn't look like any of the Ali-Frazier fights.

It would probably look more like Hearns against Duran or Foster against Tiger (although Bob tended to give up his height).