Who would win between Willie pep or Julio cesar Chavez at super-featherweight?

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  1. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Member Full Member

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    The question is at what weight was Pep the best. He was best at featherweight. Matching him in an imaginary fight against an all-time great who was at his best at 130 pounds is not a fair comparison. Why set up an unfair comparison in a hypothetical fight? I opt for keeping the scenarios between eras as close to what might have been as possible. To me, those comparisons are interesting. Factoring different weight scenarios into the equation to me is pointless and prejudicial to some great fighters. I like to start with some semblance of what might have been. But then, I have trouble with P4P comparisons, i. e. Henry Armstrong vs. Muhammad Ali for instance. Who knows how effective a 210-pound Armstrong would have been, or a 135-pound Ali? It's ridiculous. I say, stick with a realistic premise.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chavez would break down Pep and rag doll him. Martinez, Mayweather, Castillo, de la Cruz... He was a destroyer at that weight. Pep was treading water at 130.
     
  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As you know Armstrong went from "Featherwt Champ to Welter Champ to Ltweight Champ, and drew at a version of MW champ", in a period 1 year. That is a 34 lb weight swing. That was the way it was with the fighters back in the 30's & 40's.
     
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  4. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nada, the reality of boxing history is fighters great and non great fighting out of their ideal weight and that includes fights Willy won above the feather limit. There was nothing in Marks post that isn't within the realm of reality for Willy fighting and possibly beating Chavez above 125.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes I thought that but then I wondered if Saddler could knock out light welter`s like Julio did, but someone of this thread pointed out that Chavez didn`t punch as hard at 130 because he was weak at the weight and his body was really thin so he had les weight behind his shots.
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Armstrong was more dangerous coming forwards with his high punching style he could push bigger men back and by landing so much he could knock then out.
     
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  7. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know of any world class fighter that Pep beat at 130. Could he have been good at 130? Probably, but based on what he actually did, I can't pick Pep over someone of Chavez's ability at 130, even if 130 wasn't Chavez's best weight.
     
  8. escudo

    escudo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I mean Saddler is a top 10 ATG puncher with a horrific style for Pep.The fact Pep even won a single decision from the guy confirms how truly great he was. Seriously doubt JCC is in his league for power at the weight. Doubt anybody is really.
     
  9. escudo

    escudo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Armstrong was a puncher too at the lower weights but a grinder at welter and above. A lot like Pac in terms of power.
     
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond OFFLINE Full Member

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    I actually think this is a really good match up.

    Obviously Pep has the skill, but Chavez has the strength and style to bother Pep. However, where Pep was smallish at the weight, Chavez was tight and not as fluid.

    I tentatively pick Pep on points in an exciting bout.
     
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  11. ray fritz

    ray fritz Active Member Full Member

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    Reinhardt you nailed it again PEP UD
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Saddler comes to mind. I think he hits in the same region of Chavez
     
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  13. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Pep was 134-1-1 prior to his 2nd loss. Pep would have to fight a perfect fight to beat Chavez though.
     


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