Who would you have as fighter of the year?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ShovelHook, Oct 27, 2020.


Page 5 of 5
  1. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,461
    12,115
    Jul 22, 2019
    Stiverne was a good win when he was ranked No. 2 at heavyweight by the Ring for the first fight and he was very game in that one. Hell he was No. 7 for the second fight although they didn't anticipate him showing up looking and performing like ****.

    You can correct your list to Wilder having Ortiz X2, Stiverne X2, Duhaupas, Washington, Szpilka, Breazeale (who was No. 10 in the Ring's rankings at the time but I'd have had him top 15) and if you count it, the Scuba Scott quit job, isn't bad at all compared to Whyte's resume.

    Whyte got the Parker win but he got a fairly dodgy decision with the BS knockdown in a round Parker was winning and allowance for blatant cheating at the end to survive. Most felt he lost the first Chisora fight, he was losing the second too but he pulled it out in fairness to him. Rivas is a good win too, solid No. 10 in the division I'd say, probably his best performance despite getting knocked down. Helenius was about a top 15 guy at best when Whyte beat him.

    Whyte's resume isn't as good, sorry. It's just a tier below and not done nearly as convincingly. The fact Wilder has blitzed his opponents is a big plus in his favour and why he became champion at all (in his one decision win he also dominated Stiverne thanks to a broken hand making him box somewhat nicely for once in his pro career).

    By the way I'm no Wilder fanboy, quite the opposite in fact, but to suggest that Whyte is somehow a much better fighter is laughable.
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2020
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    #61
    Wizbit1013 likes this.
  2. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

    11,846
    14,553
    Oct 20, 2013
    I think you have to go with Lopez. He stepped up and beat one of the best fighters in the world in his first real test. There was tremendous pressure on both fighters. Loma had been through this before but Lopez had never dealt with this kind of hype and coverage. So, based on that, he deserves fighter of the year.
     
    JacK Rauber, Oct 28, 2020
    JacK Rauber, Oct 28, 2020
    #62
  3. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

    7,140
    5,026
    Oct 22, 2015
    there is no weight limit at heavyweight that's the difference. when cruiser was at 190 I was on board, but the idea of a 220 pound man draining himself down so he doesn't have to fight the top big men out there is completely different from errol spence fighting at 147 one of the premier divisions in the sport
     
    Richmondpete, Oct 28, 2020
    Richmondpete, Oct 28, 2020
    #63
  4. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,561
    5,458
    Jul 29, 2018
    Stiverne has always been dreadul fact Stiverne mentioned prior to Joyce fight in a interview that he is a top quality due him beating the likes Austin and Manswell says it all really.
     
    Mitch87, Oct 28, 2020
    Mitch87, Oct 28, 2020
    #64
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,301
    16,910
    Mar 17, 2018
    No not at all

    Your far too hung up and static with resumes

    I think Wilder would knock Whyte out cold tbh

    Wilder actually won the belt albeit against an average opponent Martin didnt, he was gifted a belt(Bernard didnt even make your top 5 Wilder wins, do you really rate Stervene lower than
    Duhaupas
    Washington
    Spzilka

    You see boxing different to me i guess
    As at one point Bernard was miles ahead of all of them
     
    Wizbit1013, Oct 28, 2020
    Wizbit1013, Oct 28, 2020
    #65
    NoNeck and ShovelHook like this.
  6. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,461
    12,115
    Jul 22, 2019
    Let's face it, most people don't feel they perform their best with a crowd there. There's something very relaxing about it just being two men in the ring with no external noises or voices to sway your decision making in any way. I think it's much easier to focus and laser in on your target without a crowd to distract you and perhaps make you self conscious at times.
    This is why so many fighters can be beasts in the gym and shite in the ring.
     
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    #66
    Bustajay likes this.
  7. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,461
    12,115
    Jul 22, 2019
    I just wrote a whole article on how he's wrong and yes, you're making the exact point I'm trying to make too. This guy is deliberately making Wilder's resume look worse than it is for the sake of a disingenuous argument that Whyte is better.
     
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    #67
    Wizbit1013 likes this.
  8. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,461
    12,115
    Jul 22, 2019
    That's a terrible arguement for saying he's dreadful. Chisora has a resume of middling opposition and losses at the top level but you still seem to rate him as a good win. Stiverne didn't even make his name off those wins. It was his double over the best Arreola probably ever that got it for him. Not saying it's top quality but it's a notch on the resume.
     
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    #68
    NoNeck and Wizbit1013 like this.
  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,301
    16,910
    Mar 17, 2018
    Mitch bases alot on resumes
    Not ever gonna be my way of thinking
     
    Wizbit1013, Oct 28, 2020
    Wizbit1013, Oct 28, 2020
    #69
    ShovelHook likes this.
  10. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,461
    12,115
    Jul 22, 2019
    I base a good amount on resumes, but they're hardly the be all and end all on the matter of a fighter's quality.
     
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    ShovelHook, Oct 28, 2020
    #70
    Wizbit1013 likes this.
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    26,686
    17,742
    Apr 3, 2012
    Draw w Fury+nearly knocked his head off.

    Dillianabol could only dream of that.
     
    NoNeck, Oct 28, 2020
    NoNeck, Oct 28, 2020
    #71
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,272
    38,048
    Aug 28, 2012
    Usually the winner used to get three or four. That's how Donaire and Stevenson won, if I recall. Let's see, Gene Tunney was the first to win it in 1928 with only one win. Loughran won next year for beating Walker, Schaaf, and Braddock. Schmeling only won the heavyweight title beating Sharkey by DQ in 1930, but he fought four times in 1929. Loughran fought five times in 31 beating Levinsky, Schaaf, Baer, Uzcudun.

    32 Sharkey- Schmeling
    33 None
    34 Canzoneri and Ross- 5+ Arizmendi, and Pacho x2, McLarnin +1
    35 Ross- Klick, McLarnin, Garcia x2, +1
    36 Louis- Sharkey +5
    37 Armstrong- 25 including Sarron, Bass, Klick, Casanova
    38 Louis- Schmeling +2
    39 Louis- Pastor, Galento, Lewis, +1
    40 Conn- Savold, Pastor, McCoy, Lesnevich, +1
    41 Louis- Nova, Conn, Baer, Simon, +1
    42 Robinson- 13 including LaMotta, Angott, Zivic, Servo, Jannazzo x2
    43 Apostoli- Hirohito
    44 Jack- Montgomery x2, Zurita, Davis, Berger, Angott, Costantino
    45 Pep- 8 including Terranova
    46 Zale- Graziano +5
    47 Lesnevich- Fox, Bettina, Mauriello x2
    48 Williams- 10 including Jack and Gavilan
    49 Charles- Lesnevich, Walcott, Maxim, +2
    50 Charles- Louis +2
    51 Robinson- LaMotta, Mims, Turpin +8
    52 Marciano- Savold, Walcott, +3
    53 Olson- Turpin +3
    54 Marciano- Charles x2
    55 Marciano- Moore, Cockell
    56 Patterson- Moore +3
    57 Basilio- Robinson, Saxton, +1
    58 Johansson- Machen +2
    59 Johansson- Patterson
    60 Patterson- Johansson
    61 Brown- Charnley +2
    62 Tiger- Fernandez, Hank, Fullmer
    63 Ali- Jones, Cooper +1
    64 Griffith- Charnley, Rodriguez, Dupas, +3
    65 Tiger- Carter, Giardello, +1
    66 Ali- Chuvalo, Cooper, Williams, +2
    67 Frazier- Jones, Chuvalo, +4
    68 Benvenuti- Griffith +6
    69 Napoles- Griffith, Cokes x2 +1
    70 Frazier- Ellis, Foster
    71 Frazier- Ali
    72 Ali- Foster, Patterson, Quarry, Chuvalo +2
    73 Foreman- Frazier +1
    74 Ali- Frazier, Foreman
    75 Ali- Frazier, Lyle, +2
    76 Foreman- Lyle, Frazier, +2
    77 Zarate- Zamora +3
    78 Ali- Spinks
    79 Leonard- Benitez, Viruet, +7
    80 Hearns- Cuevas +5
    81 Leonard and Sanchez- Hearns +2 and Gomez +3
    82 Holmes- Cooney +1
    83 Hagler- Duran +2
    84 Hearns- Duran +2
    85 Hagler and Curry- Hearns and 4
    86 Tyson- Berbick, Tillis +11
    87 Holyfield- Qawi, Tillman, +2
    88 Tyson- Holmes, Spinks, +1
    89 Whitaker- Haugen, Ramirez +2
    90 Chavez- Taylor +4
    91 Toney- Nunn, McCallum, Johnson, +3
    92 Bowe- Holyfield +3
    93 Carbajal- Gonzalez +2
    94 Jones- Toney +2
    95 De La Hoya- Hernandez, Leija, +2
    96 Holyfield- Tyson, Czyz
    97 Holyfield- Tyson, Moorer
    98 Mayweather- Hernandez +6
    99 Ayala- Tapia +2
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2020
    OvidsExile, Oct 28, 2020
    OvidsExile, Oct 28, 2020
    #72
    chacal likes this.
  13. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

    7,175
    5,448
    Jul 22, 2019
    I pick the chinese Covid as fighter of the year. Real hard puncher and KO artist. Lol
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2020
    Boxing2019, Oct 28, 2020
    Boxing2019, Oct 28, 2020
    #73
    ShovelHook, eross2114 and OvidsExile like this.
  14. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,561
    5,458
    Jul 29, 2018
    Again who did Arreola beat? Molina and a shot Mccline?

    Chisora resume is better than Stiverne (I mean Stiverne was dropped by Rosyy in the first round just after Wilder 1) and Arreola.

    Chisoras most notable wins:
    Takam
    Spzilka
    Scott
    Price
    Plus robbed a win over Helenius.


    Stiverne
    Arreola x 2
    Austin
    Manswell


    Arreola:
    Molina
    A past it Mcline

    I mean the Arreola got a gift draw against Kassi of all people a year after he lost to Stiverne 2 and before he even fought Wilder. That shows his level.
     
    Mitch87, Oct 28, 2020
    Mitch87, Oct 28, 2020
    #74
  15. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,267
    1,737
    Jan 4, 2007
    Fighter of the year : Naoya Inoue
     
    Nopporn, Oct 28, 2020
    Nopporn, Oct 28, 2020
    #75
Page 5 of 5