Who would you pick in these fights?

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"He doesn't have the mentality of a champion"

 

i think its you who is delusional, you started this thread knowing that the vast majority would choose the fighters on the right because they are taller & heavier than the fighters from the 1920s... yet if we take into consideration the condition the fighters was in on fight-night when they fought Lewis then it is a totally different ball game as most was shot and way past their best days. also take into account Anabolic Steroids in the case of Golota, Vitali, Holyfield, Morrison & Lewis and it does not look good for your list.

 

Thinking about it honestly. I would pick Lewis to beat all the men on both lists. With a great deal of confidence to boot.

 

without taking into account improvement in motion-picture camera's compared to today. you must think that Dempsey walked around like Charlie Chaplin and that all historians who rated him so highly are talking through their assholes..

 

Well, it works fine for pissing all over your weak arguments.

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When it comes to Dempsey and the fighters of his era you simply don't have an argument. "They look like dog****" is the best you can do.
I welcome your persistent hatred of Dempsey though - it's refreshingly honest, truly open irrational hatred.

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Vitali quit that night.

He looked like he was ready to fight off the doctor to get back at Lewis in their fight.

I was under the impression we were going night of.

Vitali is not only better than Sharkey, but a blind man could see how fired up he was fighting Lewis.

 

Fat Willie Meehan vs Oliver McCall -Meehan in 4 rounds. McCall in a close decision over 12 ND under dempseys scoring rules

Fireman Flynn vs Hasim Rahman - Flynn mixes it up with rough house tactics and Hasim struggles massively with him. But in the end, hasim catches up around 10 and KOs him.

Jess Willard vs Mike Tyson - Tyson The question is how much each has in their tank. If Jess is caught cold like Dempsey caught him, he doesnt see round 2. If he isnt, tyson receives a similar pummelling to what Lennox gave him. If Jess is competiver after 4 rounds, he wins the fight, despite him seemingly being a slow fighter. But competive is the operative word, if Tyson has a points lead, this will look similar to the Bonecrusher fight. I lean slightly towards old Tyson.

Tommy Gibbons vs Evander Holyfield - this is a far better fight than people seem to be thinking. Tommy Gibbons can KO Holyfield despite what people think. I think it is a close decision prime for prime but probably to Evander, but i also think that Gibbons was closer to prime than Evander was. I think I will go with Evander, by an unpopular split decision.

Jack Sharkey vs Vitali Klitchsko - Excellent fight, but Vitali would struggle against Sharkey's craft and movement. More so than the far more stationery Lewis who played into Vitalis hands by making it more of a power game due to lewis' poor condition. STill, i think that while Sharkey is definitely better than Byrd, and did not perform as well against Lewis as Sharkey did against Dempsey, i still think that head to head, Vitali would still start a slight favourite to win, in a live match.

Luis Angel Firpo vs David Tua - Two big sluggers with limited skills. Well actually they are not that big size wise, but they are big hitters. With Luis, you know from the Dempsey fight that he will be swinging wildly even if he is Knocked down. With Tua, you know if he is hurt, he will try to stay away and out of range and last the distance. Looking at how the two fights go, at some stage Firpo lands big on Tua (like he did on Dempsey). I think Tua reacts poorly and cannot come back to fight when hurt. Tua changes his style and Firpo gets the decision.

Georges Carpentier Vs Tony Tucker- Tucker was very old and not as good as his prime. And unforgiven i think it was made some good points. Carpentier was closer to prime, but as Klompton will tell you, was not all that good. I am sure that Tucker will struggle, but somewhere along the line he is going to land hard and cleanly and this will be the end of Carpentier. Tucker KO7.

Billy Miske Vs Ray Mercer - Mercer was so inconsistent, but he seemed reasonable against Lewis. Miske wins this prime for prime, so long as he gets over the size thing which he should but many say he was not prime for dempsey. If you look at his record, he had some good wins still to come, although many speak about whether or not these are on the level. I am going to assume (probably unwisely) that they were and if this is the case, Miske beats the overated Ray Mercer.

Bill Brennan Vs Frank Bruno - Well Bills nickname was KO and he was coming off a good KO Streak. And Bruno is said to have a glass jaw. But Bruno was better, was bigger and actually performed much better against Lewis than Brennan against Dempsey. I think this is an almost certain Bruno win.

Gunboat Smith Vs Tommy Morrison -The question here is how much Gunboat had left. There is no doubt in my mind that prime Gunboat was a class above Tommy, who was never even a legitimate top 10 fighter. Gunboat had definitely slowed down, but his only losses were to the top echelon of fighters like Dillon, Miske, Fulton, Weinert. And he was still somewhat competive with this class of fighter, even if he was not impressive. But when you look at it, the Dempsey win totally finished him. Tommy's best wins were against old past if fighters like Foreman, Williams, Thomas, etc. When i think about it, old Gunboat might be a tailor made fight for Morrison. Morrison KO7

Fred Fulton Vs Donovan Ruddock - Fulton was pretty good. Ruddock, i always thought was very over rated. I think Fulton is the better fighter, but i have always wondered a little about his ability to soak up punishment. I think it is a close fight, but Ruddock catches Fulton towards the end in scores a KO 11

Battling Levinsky Vs Andrew Golota - When you look at Golota, he has never really managed to beat a decent fighter. He just finds a way to lose, no matter what you do. Even when he looks good (and against Bowe he looked as good as anyone) he finds a way to lose. Levinsky fought an awful lot of bigger hitters and always seemed to last the distance. I was going to assume the size factor was too much, but Golota's self destructions (and he was certainly not in it against Lennox) suggests that anything could happen. I now think that Levinsky will surprise Golota (a little like he did carpentier) and be amazingly competive in this fight. Although i think Golota should still win the fight, i see a self destruction similar to the Bowe fight (Levinskey is not as good as Bowe, but his tough chin and surprising competiveness would frustrate and panic Golota). Golota throws it away and is DQd for low blows.

 

Dempsey : voted overwhelmingly the greatest fighter of the 1900 - 1950 period by a poll of sportwriters and experts - FACT


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I think Brennan did much better against Dempsey in 1920, and lasted into the 12th.
Bruno did his usual front-running act for a few rounds against Lewis then folded like a cheap suit when he got tagged hard, just stood there taking more punches, as usual.
Was one of Bruno's better performances though.

Bruno's become strangely overrated around here. He was one of the most 'manufactured' and protected fighters ever, with a cynically orchestrated career.
Brennan would have beaten him.

 

Come on guys, ignore that guy. The only thing he brings to the board is disrespect to fighters and posters. That´s really not worth any effort.

 

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