Who would you pick to beat a 130 lb mayweather?

Pimp C you are overrating Floyd big time.

Pimp C was a SHOCKING rapper BTW. Dreadful. If you think that kinda' stuff is good it probably shows why you think Floyd is good. Poor taste.

 

I hate that 'people dislike him so they underrated him' argument. It's spasticated.

I hate Ray Leonard. I rate him amongst the best I've ever seen.

 

Floyd's too easily backed into the ropes to beat Chavez. Every decent pressure fighter he's been in with has had a fair amount of success pushing his back there and pinning him down for a while. Even there he knows how to defend very well and work on the inside, but it's not at all where he'd want to be against Chavez. The majority of this fight would NOT be fought in the middle of the ring. Mayweather simply can't box off the backfoot near as well as Whitaker. He'd certainly make it competitive, but his own work would be swamped by the work Chavez would be doing. 8-4 type decision.

 

Pimp C is a dreadful poster. Who is this chump?

 

Stop with the personal stuff man. I didn't attack you so I ask that you do the same.:good
No you're underrated PBF because you don't like him. He has the length speed reflexes accuracy countering movement defense and ring IQ that would give Chavez hell. He is a master boxer he would outbox Chavez. Hell even Taylor undressed him and he's very basically in his approach and all he did was try and overwhelm people with his speed. Defensive counter-punchers like PBF eat pressure fighters up like Chavez. Chavez was undressed by Whitaker who frustrated Chavez with defense and his unwillingness to fight his fight and he was outboxed for his effort. PBF can do the same as Whitaker possibly beating him even worse due to the fact that he's bigger longer faster had a higher ring IQ(didn't clown as much) hit harder and was a better counter-puncher. Like I said before give me a elite defensive counter puncher over an elite pressure fighter any day of the week and I'll show you a boxing lesson.

 

He's not too easily backed into the ropes. The guy sets traps for guys because he's adept at fighting off the ropes. Against Chico how many times did you see him backed against the ropes? He does that when wants too. I can easily say Chavez can't deal with defense he can't get off on guys with good defense. Good defense neutralizes good offense it can't be stressed enough. You look like the second coming fighting guys who are there to be hit but the minute you fight someone with good defense and high ring IQ you look like **** and Chavez is no different. The guy can be outboxed and has been in his career. You can't say the same for PBF, who has found a way to win over all styles.

 

Don't be personal? And then you make an assumption that I don't like him?!?

Are you stupid?

 

When did Chico bother to try and establish the jab or cut the ring off? I said decent pressure fighters, not limited bangers. A smaller, C level pressure fighter in Jesus Chavez was able to have some success at keeping Mayweather on the ropes and landing in exchanges. He ultimately got battered because he wasn't anywhere near Floyd's class, but even he was able to exploit the stylistic advantage.

You should know that, "he does that when he wants to," is just nonsense. He does that when he's forced to. Oh, and on defense. Would be interesting to see how well Floyd's accuracy holds up against a pressure fighter who actually has a multifaceted defense and can block, slip, and parry shots as well as Chavez could. The one-dimensional, straight up basic guys he's been up against probably aren't much in terms of preperation for that.

 

Hmm..

Good post cobra.

 

This is what pisses me off.

Kalambay out boxed a master technician.

Floyd has looked technically flawless against a lot of straight on straight up basic operators.

 

Chavez isn't outjabbing Floyd though

 

Haha you cats are crazy! How is Chavez going top beat Floyd there's no blueprint. Cut off the ring? Since no one has ever done that (Money chooses to be on the ropes) its impossible. Chavez couldn't beat Pernell and Mayweather is like a Sweet Pea with power so maybe a stoppage isn't out of the question. Chavez couldn't even beat Frankie Randall and Mayweather> Randall so how can you pick Chavez with that hanging over the discussion. Meldrick Taylor won every second of every round and was going to win still even against a guy with loaded gloves until the paid off ref stole the fight from him. Mayweather is too slick and versatile and just fast for a slow fisted one dimensional Tijuana-cab-driver bashing overrated guy like Chavez styles be damned!

 

Definitely. Shame he never really used it much at all actually. Only time I ever saw him use it was against Casamayor in their rematch.

He boxed so well in that one, surprised the **** out of me. In the rubbermatch as well, actually (I felt he should have won)

 

Thank you, good sir. I try.

Aye. Circumstances taken into account, I don't believe Floyd's ever beaten a genuinely special talent. De La Hoya was far removed from his prime, same goes for Mosley. Marquez might be the closest thing and he was too undersized and horribly matched up with Floyd in terms of style anyway. Those 3 make up the entire list of great fighters he's faced. Good wins, but he's certainly not faced a McCallum in his career. Not that I don't think he couldn't beat that level of fighter, just that it would probably be quite telling, one way or another, if he actually had faced one. We'd know a good deal more about him and just how great he really is. I actually like Floyd quite a lot as a fighter and don't mind him so much as a person (not persona), but yeah, I'd really liked to have seen him in with a someone who could operate on his level and has more than one dimension himself. Chavez certainly fits that bill.

As a matter of fact, I would say it doesn't have to be a 'master technician' even. All I'd like to see is someone who can show us just how good Floyd's defense actually is when faced with something a bit less predictable than a basic, 'follow, get set, jab, follow, get set, 1-2, follow, get set, jab' kind of guy. A genuine offensive talent. Someone who knows how to create openings, can be rather difficult to react to, doesn't just attack in straight lines, can move well while punching, is more than willing to press the issue and won't ever let up, etc. A kind of guy who wouldn't find himself so out of his depth right from the start against Floyd just from the speed alone and who wouldn't fade and shell up after half a fight a la Judah.

I guess it's just too bad that there's been no one around in his era who fits that description...

oh wait.

 

That guy is slowly losing the physical tools he had to be like that though.

We'll see if he can still match Floyd when he faces Marquez in December.