Who would you pick to beat...

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    SRL at Welter (beside Duran)

    Jofre at Bantam

    Canto at Fly (you can include straw-superflyweights if you like)

    Ali at Heavy

    Holyfield at Cruiser (but no past heavyweights...only dedicated cruisers and past light heavies...so that means no Marciano but someone like Charles is cool)

    Monzon at Middle

    Foster at light heavy

    Sweet Pea at Lightweight



    All on their best night.
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah good points Tabin...A lot of people watch Monzon and dont see what all the fuss is about. But he was a master of subtle moves and he was just plain effective all of the time.

    I honestly dont know who I would pick over him and there arent to many id pick over the rest..I just wanted to see what everyones opinions were on that.
     
  3. the cobra

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    Leonard at 147: Robinson. The footage at Middleweight is enough for me to assume the 147lbs version would win. Someone like Gavilan is more or less 50/50, although I favor SRL over the Kid and every other Welterweight I've seen.

    I favor peak Jofre over everyone at 118. Olivares probably has the best chance of doing it.

    I've seen little footage of Canto, but I'd go with Harada.

    I don't pick any Heavyweight over prime Ali.

    Holyfield-Charles would be interesting. I'd probably go with Evander over any fighter who wasn't a heavyweight.

    I pick Monzon to beat every Middleweight over 15 rounds also. Robinson, Hopkins, Hagler would all run him pretty close IMO, but he beats them all.

    Maybe Spinks or Charles over Foster, but he has as good a chance of winning as they do as I see it.

    Duran is the only one at 135 I could see beating Whitaker, and I see it as basically 50/50.
     
  4. Hank

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    Basillio, Walker, Galivan, and the origional Sugar Ray at welter would beat Leanard.

    Holyfield is best cruiser ever.

    A few guys beat Monzon, and even more beat Foster.

    Greb, Walker, Ketchel, Robinson, beat Monzon, maybe Fulllmer too.

    The guys who came right after Foster were great bunch---Matthew Saad Muhamad, Conteh, Galindez, Rossman, Jesse Burnett (who came along at tough time) were as good or better than Foster.

    I give Fostr credit for taking on heavies, even though he lost, at least he tried. I never understood Monzon not trying to move up and take on Foster. If there was a 168 pound division, Monzon would have taken title at that time.
     
  5. redrooster

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    I think Micheal Spinks got a good shot at beating Foster. But then again Bob could knock him out at any time. I have to believe Bob would keep him at bay and take a decision, maybe even tko within the limit.

    Napoles and Robinson for sure would destroy leonard. Honeyghan too. Norris-hell yeah easy

    Camacho with his speed would simply be too quick for Pernell. Southpaw vs. southpaw

    I dont know about Duran tho. He might get frustrated by the southpaw but he'd have to do better than Julio did. he was downright clueless

    Ali at heavy I believe joe Louis had the right stuff to do the job based on the fact that Norton with his jab threw Ali off his game as did Jimmy Young. Not only that but joe would be up for this one and I dont think Ali could hit hard enough or really catch him in a way that would get his respect. Joe Louis is going to control this fight with his jab.

    However the Ali of the days of Sonny Liston could be a real problem for Joe because of Ali's movement. I dont see Joe being able to corner Ali often until late when the body attack pays off and then a possible knockout late with a blistering combination to the head.

    Carlos Monzon-Marvin Hagler who loves fighting tall guys for some reason. Again, Hagler wins the battle of the jabs, dipping under Carlos' long reach and pounding the ribs-HARD!! Only Monzon's pride keeps him up in the late rounds. But Marvin is simply not content with a decision. No, he wants complete victory and with Monzon rapidly weakening, Hagler starts putting everything into it-in close. Finally, Monzon can take no more and like Arguello against the late round surge from Pryor, finally falls prey to a power that knows no equal.

    I have to say if I put money on it, I would take my other main man Roy Jones in this fight as well. it's all about talent and ability in this sport and with Roy Jones, he has way too much speed for the slow handed Argentinian who can't get anthing going. Roy Jones on points with a badly trailing Monzon still pursuing at the bell.

    As for Eder Jofre, I cant say because I havent seen enough of him.
     
  6. redrooster

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    PS, I hope I havent offended anyone with my predictions. That's just Rooster being honest and laying it down the way he sees it.
     
  7. WhataRock

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    Fair call Hank..

    I do strongly disagree that Walker or Fullmer would beat Monzon though..no way in my book but its up for debate thats for sure..they are all quality figthers.
    Robinson was beatable at the weight as it wasnt his best...Monzon would be the far bigger and stronger man. Close call that one
    Greb is a hard one to discuss because of the lack of footage of him.

    Foster handily beats Galindez and Conteh I reckon...nothing Ive seen from either these two is better then Foster's best work.
    MSM is one of my favourite light heavies ever but his style would really help Foster out I reckon..I would pick Foster over him too.
    Burnett was a good fighter with a deceptive record..Ill admit Ive only seen about 4 fights of his..mostly all losses but I cant really see him beating Foster. He didnt seem like a big lightheavy and didnt appear to have enough tools to over come the big size disadvantage he would have in against Foster.

    I actually only pick Spinks, Moore and Charles over Foster off the top of my head at lightheavy...There could be couple more but H2H he is one of my top guys at lightheavy.
     
  8. Adaptation

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    SRL - The other sugar... SRR

    Jofre - Super Bantamweight Wilfredo Gomez over Jofre. If we can only have Bantams, then its Olivares.

    Canto - Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Thai legend is over canto for me.


    Ali - Lennox Lewis, but hes still an underdog.

    Holyfield - David Haye, but again, big underdog

    Monzon - Harry Greb has the record, but lack of video puts me in doubt. So i have to go with Hagler

    Foster - RJJ

    Sweet Pea - I somehow see this has a horrible matchup for Duran. His persistance would probably get him through but still i would prefer someone like(im gonna get some hate).
    The golden boy. Huge range advantage, and Oscar was excellent at 135.
     
  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    SRL at Welter (beside Duran): Robinson, Burley, Gavilan, and I'd also slightly favor Mickey Walker. Margarito would have a decent chance as well... but Ray was tougher than he looked.

    Jofre at Bantam. Fighting Harada obviously. I suspect that given that, Jeff Fenech would be a live one for him.

    Canto at Fly (you can include straw-superflyweights if you like): This is more theoretical than I like, but Jimmy Wilde's power could be an equalizer here -even for a master-boxer like Canto. He'd have to careful with Pacman -who was very strong and hit very hard at this weight.
    --I'd still go with Canto though -against both.

    Ali at Heavy: I'd favor Joe Frazier. I'd think long and hard about 1919 Dempsey too. Perhaps Tyson, except for the fact that he had the same problem with power and aggression that cheetahs have with speed. I would surmise that Tyson would look good early but Ali would take over in the second half and exploit the young stud's character flaws and raging insecurities.

    Holyfield at Cruiser (but no past heavyweights...only dedicated cruisers and past light heavies...so that means no Marciano but someone like Charles is cool): Ezzard Charles. That's about it.

    Monzon at Middle: I'd favor Robinson. I'd favor Hagler, very slightly. Greb is difficult not to include here... now I'm thinking... I'd favor Greb too. He could deal with strength, power, and had the kind of chaotic style that would cause Monzon to have to think about attacks from every angle. Greb would probably be all around and all over the comparatively static style of Monzon like a heavy sweat.

    Foster at light heavy: Spinks, Tunney, and Conn.

    Sweet Pea at Lightweight: The Lightweights are the deepest of the divisions. Here, I'd favor Duran. And I'd be very tempted to favor Henry Armstrong and Sammy Angott -one could overwhelm him, the other neutralize him if there is a permissive ref. Those blood-splattered tough as nails guys like Ad Wolgast and Battling Nelson may pose problems stylistically for guys like Whitaker but if Leach Cross, who had some boxing skills could cope with both brawlers, I'd be tempted to go with Whitaker.
     
  10. Sweet Pea

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    SRL at Welter (beside Duran)- Robinson would be the best choice, I'd consider it probably 50/50, a series would be split

    Jofre at Bantam- Olivares would be the best choice, though I wouldn't favor him, maybe a guy like Panama Al Brown

    Canto at Fly (you can include straw-superflyweights if you like)- The bigger guys like Ohba, Zapata, possibly Lopez, Johnson, etc. A guy like Pacquiao doesn't even belong in the discussion given his complete lack of skills at the weight. Canto would embarass him thoroughly.

    Ali at Heavy- Maybe Holmes

    Holyfield at Cruiser (but no past heavyweights...only dedicated cruisers and past light heavies...so that means no Marciano but someone like Charles is cool)- In that case noone

    Monzon at Middle- That I've seen footage of? Noone, maybe Jones Jr.

    Foster at light heavy- Charles, possibly Moore if he could out-clever him, maybe Spinks

    Sweet Pea at Lightweight- The best choices would be Duran and Napoles
     
  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, a fighter with not only the strength and power, but the energy of Pacquiao is potentially dangerous -for anyone. He had about 27 fights at that weight -and you don't beat a champion like Sasakul if you are "completely lacking in skills."
     
  12. natonic

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    SRL = Robinson, maybe Griffith (pre Paret tragedy)

    Jofre = I guess Olivares would have a shot but I wouldn't pick him

    Canto = I like Zapata just because of styles and size

    Holyfield = Charles.

    Monzon = Nobody. Robinson, Greb, Hagler would certainlt press him hard.


    Ali 1966-67 version = Nobody

    Foster = Charles, Spinks 50/50, Moore 50/50

    Whitaker = Duran, Chavez in 1987 50/50, Benny Leonard
     
  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Old Sam is haunting this thread. I suspect that Langford, from what I know and have heard, could be favored to beat Whitaker, Leonard, Monzon, and Foster... and perhaps even Holyfield.

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    He was demonic.
     
  14. Minotauro

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    SRL at Welter (beside Duran): Ray Robinson and possibly Burley.

    Jofre at Bantam: Oliveras is the only one that I think could do it.

    Canto at Fly: Probably Zapata, Harada and maybe Villa.

    Ali at Heavy: Joe Louis and maybe Holmes although I would still favour Ali over the latter. Frazier is a 50/50.

    Holyfield at Cruiser: Charles.

    Monzon at Middle: Maybe Hopkins.

    Foster at light heavy: Charles, Moore, Spinks and Conn.

    Sweet Pea at Lightweight: Duran and Armstrong.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    He was having those fights between the ages of 16 and 20, and if you'd seen the Sasakul fight, you'd see that "skill" had little to do with it, as he was being handily beaten and outboxed throughout the majority of the match before Sasakul got careless.

    He was completely reliant on his straight left at the weight, no versatility whatsoever. Not even half of what he became at say, Featherweight.

    I'd give him less chance against Canto at Fly than I would against Pep at Featherweight all things considered.