Who would you pick to win a barfight *against Sonny Liston*?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Ronda was a judo specialist, not a jujitsu specialist, but that is besides the point.

    Which martial arts, have traditionally dominated MMA, and are dominating MMA right now?

    When it first became a free for all, the jujitsu guys, just ran everybody else over.

    It later came down to who could mix two different martial arts most effectively.

    It still generally comes down to a good ground game though.

    A ground game has a serious weakness in a street fight, because you can get kicked in the head, by one of Liston's friends.

    However the OP states that it is one on one!
     
  2. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, a one on one fight with no rules? I'm not picking a boxer, I'm picking a MMA guy. I take Ngannou.
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    How about Brock Lesnar?
     
  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You're restricted to boxers who had at least a reasonable boxing career.

    You could have Jeremy Williams, if you like. Judo blackbelt, hard punching journeyman, (illegally) threw Lennox in sparring. Fought in MMA as well.
     
  5. Glass City Cobra

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    If it has to be a pure boxer, there are a few guys like Dempsey and Lyle who have experience in bar/prison scuffles but I'd favor Liston over both.

    Foreman has a significant chance, he could be just as mean and surly and might even be able to clam Liston down. Even odds there.

    Someone mentioned Cobb, and the hilarious thing is that despite his lackluster record, you'd definitely want him on your side in a street fight. Concrete chin, knows some karate, experience in street fights, big guy with decent power. He's a safe bet, and he'd probably have something very funny to say win lose or draw to make the pain tolerable when you inevitably arrive at the urgent care to treat your wounds.
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You're allowed to choose a boxer who knew other stuff (Dempsey did some catch wrestling; you've already mentioned Cobb; there's Jeffries, Berlenbach...etc.) They just have to be an accomplished professional boxer, or we will just be listing MMA guys.

    Foreman is a good choice. Foreman also has the added benefit of knowing Liston and maybe being able to mediate.
     
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  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    Ah, I also missed that it had to be a boxer.

    Anyway, nothing wrong with Liston’s ground game.

    Sonny hits you. You hit the ground. Game over.

    Seriously though, if the selection was broadened, a highly proficient, maybe at least similarly sized grappler, would be among your best choices.

    We don’t necessarily know Liston’s own abilities in the world of grappling- not to dispense with all important grappling technique but we know or assume that Liston was very strong - and by several accounts, he did put a cop in a trash bin.

    Credit to @cross_trainer for another creative and clever hypothetical. It really sparks up discussion into a number of fresh areas.

    I had not heard that story re Liston and the wee Scottish ex pug. Classic!

    In mind’s eye, though he was Irish, I’ve cast the old actor Barry Fitzgerald in the role of said ex pug - impish and cheeky.
     
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  8. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Chris Byrd - he'll make Liston miss every punch while frustrating him - eventually KO'ing a tired, fatigued Liston with 1000 death slaps from his "Rapid Fire" combinations.
     
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  9. Pugguy

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    Didn’t Cobb still want a piece of Norton after their fight - banging on Kenny’s motel room door - Ken admitted being scared, refused to come the “after party” and rang the cops? LOL.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Just rewatched her bouts with Holm and Nunes, and it seems she did indeed fall in love with her striking, after she knocked out Correria, and tried standing with Holm (undoubtedly because of her idiotic trainer convincing her she was a world class athlete) and most likely would've won had she stuck to her bread and butter, so I'll concede the point

    I admittedly don't watch to much MMA, but I know in order to get it to the ground, you have to get in close, and likely eating punches on your way in. This would probably work against lighter punchers such as Young and Byrd, but not guys like Liston, who was also very accurate as well.
     
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  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I admittedly don't watch to much MMA. but I will make two observations.

    1. There are some dynamite punchers in MMA.

    2. You have to be able to get past a puncher, to excel in MMA.

    If it were otherwise, then MMA would be dominated by men like Sam Peter!
     
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  12. mr. magoo

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  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    How could we forget Marty Marshall?

    He starts goofing off, wise cracks etc. -

    Sonny can’t help but to begin laugh uncontrollably and then….POW!, Marty slugs opened mouthed Sonny a beaut and busts his jaw…….Liston then thinks, again, seriously? “Fool me once……..” <insert George W’s unique quoting of this famous saying for even more comedic effect>.
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Floyd calls the police like a responsible citizen. He then provides very convincing and level-headed testimony for you at Liston's assault trial, and in your personal injury lawsuit against Liston.

    Floyd is a pick for people who play the long game.
     
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  15. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quoting myself. (Has djanders finally totally lost it at 97? Ha!)

    But, on second thought, maybe Joe Louis. Joe had a lot of influence over Sonny and could defuse this situation.