Who would you rather believe, Ross Greenburg or Leonard Ellerbe?

1) When did Floyd's camp even speak about or acknowledge these negotiations before Ellerbe made this statement? There was ZERO corroboration from anyone in Floyd's camp, at any point, that discussions were taking place, or had ever taken place. Greenburg could've set the record straight, if he was indeed engaging in a negotiation with Floyd's camp. But, instead he did not say whom he was speaking with. Leaving the door open for more speculation.

2) Who knows? Maybe because, he heard somebody had talked to somebody, and they were speaking privately on the matter. But, he knew it did not involve himself, Ellerbe, or Oscar, at that point, so he had no details to provide. And Arum was the main one citing a "gag order", but, speaking the loudest in the media at every opportunity.

3) Oscar lies, man...that much is obvious.


I just want to know, what your passion is about this topic. There is no way you can say for sure what happened. Because, there are not enough quotes or soundbites out there to provide that information. :think

 

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Jun 17, 2010
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/17/promoter-osca-de-la-hoya-misquoted-on-floyd-Mayweather-manny/

De la Hoya reportedly told some Internet outlets that a deal is "very close" to completion, to which Schaefer responded, "that's incorrect."

"I spoke to Oscar yesterday [Tuesday] and I wanted to know where that came from and he said that he was misquoted," said Schaefer, whose promotional company has represented Mayweather along with Mayweather Promotions. "I saw those quotes as well, and I had no idea what Oscar was talking about. And I called him up and asked him about them and he that he was misquoted."

7/26/2010
http://www.***********.com/de-la-hoya-talks-no-Mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations--29584

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Once again the point i was trying to make what exactly is NEGOTIATING mean to arum and greenburg.


July 27, 2010

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5412488
Ellerbe was surprised to hear what Greenburg said, but told ESPN.com, "I stand behind my statement 100 percent. Obviously, the term negotiation needs to be defined to those parties who are making these comments. Calling to inquire about what Floyd is thinking about doing is not a negotiation. There was never any negotiation. I respect Ross but I am 100 percent sure there were no negotiations."

July 27
http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-2.html
"Mayweather is the boss on his side and when he says, 'jump,' you're supposed to ask, 'how high.' That's why none of them have any credibility. Schaefer and Haymon and Ellerbe, they cling to the Mayweather boat because that's the source of their riches."

With Arum fully aware of this fact how can he have negotiations when

June 2, 2010
In an interview with the Make-a-Wish Foundation, Floyd Mayweather Jr. said he'll be taking time off.

July 27 2010
http://fighthype.com/pages/content8072.html
How the hell can you have negotiation when the principal himself says he's not even thinking about boxing" - Ellerbe


Ellerbe was pretty consistent throughout the so called “negations” that their where no negotiations.

May 10th 2010.
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2010/05/leonard_ellerbe_calls_report_t.html
“Floyd isn’t thinking about none of them, and there ain’t no negotiations starting, period. Floyd is just coming off a great win. He’s not thinking about any of them.” -Ellerbe

June 6, 2010
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sport...m-or-pacquiao-floyd-jr-has-no-interest-boxing
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2010/06/nevada_state_athletic_commissi.html
Speaking to David Mayo of the Grand Rapids Press, Ellerbe went on record as saying that there have been no talks taking place and that Mayweather is enjoying his time off after beating Shane Mosley via one-sided unanimous decision last month.

JUNE 22, 2010
Mayweather Sr. says he's unaware of any negotiations taking place.
"As far as I know right now, there isn't any that I know of," Floyd Mayweather Sr. would reveal when asked by an Examiner.com podcaster about the current status of negotiations. "I haven't heard anything about nothing going on, man. If it is, it done got past me," he added.

Schaefer Backs Ellerbe
http://www.***********.com/schaefer-backs-position-team-Mayweather--29448

http://www.***********.com/arum-schaefer-trade-words-over-Mayweather-talks--29514

"the thing is, if you have not followed the events back then, it was supposed to be between arum and ellerbe."

Wrong. The only person arum was ever talking to was greenburg for the 2nd negotiation.


"at first when greenburg was asked about it, he would just say "no comment." but after a while greenburg confirmed arum's story and said that there was indeed a negotiation and all ellerbe and schaefer could say to that was for greenburg to take the lie-detector test. if you want to follow that story see the link above."

Like i said before greenburg could have though have in his mind that he was legitimately doing what he though was "negations". But if you where following the events you will see that he was not because
1. Floyd had already taken the 14 day cut off, off the table.
2. Floyd had already stated his intent to take a vacation.
3. Making phone calls to inquire about his(Mayweathers) future plans is not a form of negotiations. "Making inquiries about what Floyd's intentions are is not a negotiation.[/FONT]

 

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May 10th 2010
Ellerbe denies that negotiations will resume; wonders who Team Pacquiao plans on negotiating with.
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2010/05/leonard_ellerbe_calls_report_t.html



JUNE 2, 2010
Mayweather reveals that he'll be taking the rest of 2010, and possibly 2011, off.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/6/5/1503173/mayweather-discusses-possibility

As you can see Ellerbe Clearly denies talks before Mayweathers vacation.

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People can only speculate but i will give you this quote:

Arum said that Schaefer, the Golden Boy CEO who has promoted Mayweather's last several fights and was heavily involved in the first negotiations for the Pacquiao fight, wasn't directly involved this time.
"Nowhere was the name Richard Schaefer or Golden Boy mentioned, although I read, as you all did, De La Hoya's statement [to a Spanish-language network] that a deal was close. So I assumed from that that Haymon was keeping Schaefer and Golden Boy abreast of the situation.

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Regardless of how many negotiations come to play, Floyd won't accept is for as long as he sees that the pacman has a chance to beat him.

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/forget-mediation-fraud-will-duck-pacquiao/

That is all I need to read. The ducking was already planned during the first negotiations as was said by Al Haymon's associate.

 

That would have been a good artical or even prophetic had it been writen a little earlier. as it stands however particulary in hinded sight, its garbage i could go thorugh the artical and point out some glareing omissions that miss the point but i think the most important line is:
"I’m gonna take a chance and write

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today"
and some times there is no arguing what some one believes because they want to believe no matter how bunk it may be.