Who would you rather believe, Ross Greenburg or Leonard Ellerbe?

Greenburg is not neutral though thats the thing he wanted the fight to happen. No he is not on Manny or Floyds side but he wanted and needed the fight to happen more than anybody, do you agree with that?

Do you also agree that in oreder for the fight to happen Manny has to agree with OSDT up to the day of the fight?

Do you also agree that Koncz is saying they have never agreed up to the day of the fight?

Please answer all of those questions no bull****

 

See you are running around this issue again. What should be and what is are two different things. Mayweather has been adamant about with no OSDT up to the day of the fight there will be no fight has he not? (after they left the negotiation table the first time)

With that being said has Koncz been forthcoming in saying Manny has not agreed to the day of the fight? We have to get these things established first.

 

I don't trust Greenburg and neither did the HBO CEO.

 

because I know ellerbe isn't inept and out of his depth.

 

wait wait why would Koncz elleber lie? when has Oscar dealt with negotiations for Golden Boy? Oscar is off having Coke parties and dressing like a women while schafer is going the work.

You are just being stubborn I already explained this to you.....

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How can you not get that both people can rationalize what they said?

 

Because my closed minded friend, you gotta pay attention to what each side is saying. Ellerbe is saying is that what Floyd's camp considers negotiations isn't what went down.

negotiation defines as mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of an agreement

Now the one point that isn't even negotiable was the drug testing. Its either yes I accept the full random test or no I don't. To Floyd's camp the actual negotiating doesn't start until after Manny agrees, not before. He's says yes, then they can start deciding about money and venue and all the other stuff hence negotiatng. Manny didn't agree, so Floyd said "I'm going on vacation, tell Goldenboy to let me know when he agrees to the testing. Then we can make this fight happen." That is what Floyd's camp sees. And of course GB is gonna continue talks in case Manny does cave. Why wouldn't they? Manny didn't cave so they fall back and agree with Floyd to save face. That would explain Schafer's statement.

And of course, Ross isn't gonna say well we weren't really negotiating. Wouldn't look very good to the powers that be at HBO. I doubt GB would tell him what was going on with Floyd anyway. And I mentioned the job loss because I feel HBO dropped him because they weren't happy with his duty as far as not getting Pac/Floyd fight made and then allowing Manny to go to Showtime. You gotta admit saying the fight was close to being made and then having it fall through doesn't make HBO look very good. And he was a fool for allowing them to talk with each other through him in the first place. He should have brought them together face to face and acted as a mediator.

That is why I said I believe both are telling the truth.

 

No brainer. Ross, of course. I would even pick my neighbor over Ellerbe if the choice is between them. atsch

 

Simple question. Why do you have 11,000 posts sucking Pac-e-owwww's dick? The people would like to know.

 

It's not cut and dry.

Arum said that Greenburg called him to try to put the fight together. Arum was, probably, happily busy lining up Top Rank cans for Manny, and dreaming about all that easy money, until he got that call from Greenburg. So, it is obvious Greenburg had an agenda in doing so, and it was less likely he was motivated by giving the fans the fight they deserve, and more likely that his job was on the line (as he was fired not too long after that).

Ellerbe is Floyd's employee. It's his agenda to do the necessary PR spin for his employer, in order to protect his job.

Who to believe? Who knows?

There's probably a measure of truth in what each side said.

But, it's irrelevant at this point. We have ONE clear example of a negotiation between the two camps, and it is clear, with no equivocation, how that turned out...unlike this so-called second "negotiation".