Who you like better, Roy Jones or James Toney?

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jones I like better..Toney has always been an *******.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol: Thats we hasn't had other gigs then
     
  3. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roy wins no doubt though some would hate Roy for his love of **** fighting
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you go over to Youtube and see loads of the 'P@ki' and allot of the unjustified hate you can tell their are racial undertones. Although it's partly people going against the golden boy, I know plenty of Pakstani lads who wanted to see him fall flat on his face too

    20yo lad drives like a dickhead shocker

    He does have a case for beating Peterson tbf to him.

    Pretty much sums him up
     
  5. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    great post
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I agree, but I'm sure glad for Peterson. :D
     
  7. Thread Stealer

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    I prefer watching Toney. I guess I'm a sucker for old-school techniques. I always love watching him in action in fights like McCallum 1, Barkley, Delgado, Holyfield, Jirov, etc...
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Part of the reason I don't care for Khan is the Golden Spoon problem. Guy was a success at the Olympics and fair play to him, but he had it all handed to him on a platter when he came up. He got thrashed by Prescott but because Khan was connected and Prescott wasn't, Khan got an easy fight and then had an ancient Barrera delivered to him (where Barrera being stopped on a cut was suspiciously put off until Khan could be declared a TKO winner rather than the victim of a NC) on a platter. Prescott was matched with all kinds of toughs and weirdoes including a fighter that bit him.

    That's just the way the sport is, I do understand that, but I never particularly care for the guys who get it easy - it's just the way I see things. It's not always the case, like if a kid is a really nice sound kid or I really like the way he fights or he has great heart (which is why I say he started to win me round after the Maidana fight) i can overlook it...but I don't feel that way about Khan.

    Lots of young guys do drive like dickheads. It's common, which I think is what you mean...but it's not a universal truth. Some 19 and 20 year olds are thoughtful kids and just aren't the type of guy capable of mowing down a working man at a pelican crossing. It's another reason for me to struggle with Khan.

    The guy he hit, I read that he was unable to return to work or walk without a stick after Khan hit him and that he spiralled into depression. He since died. There's just something bhorrent about a millionaire boxer in a BWM giving a working class bloke career-ending injuries (if that's what happened) and someone writing it off because lots of people drive like idiots. I'm sure lots of people drive like idiots. It's what makes them idiots.

    He does, but if everyone involved in a close decision spent weeks and weeks and months whining and complaining and bitching and moaning either it wouldn't be reported or it would make news websites and magazines unreadable. It was a never ending litany of excuses, complaints and conspiracy theories that speaks more to the sense of entitlement owned by a fighter who has been handed everything he ever wanted - whether he wins or he loses.

    Khan wasn't robbed. There's no horrific injustice. You could argue he was docked one point to many - maybe - but then the other fella had a knockdown ruled that wasn't one. Then they had a close fight. One guy won and one guy lost. For a MONTH after that fight, Khan was never off the telly, websites he was even on the television news. If Peterson had had the close loss, we never would have heard from him again.

    I just have a natural antipathy to that kind of "spoiled" fighter.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Let's address these points 1 by 1

    Inequality in boxers opportunities - not Khan's fault, every fighter will jump to get the best opportunities for themselves. Plus if you put Prescott in front of MAB, Kotelnik, Maidana does he beat them all, I doubt him? And I loved watching Khan getting smashed as much as anyone :lol:

    Driving accidents - giving an inexperienced and young man the keys to an M6 or whatever Khan was driving is a recipe for disaster. It just is. Many inexperienced drivers also have accidents in their early years of driving due to inexperience. Personally I started driving unlicensed/uninsured so was ultra careful to never have any accident and never did (aside from accidently dragging another car out of a parking space when my A6/S6 wouldn't fit)

    If that gentleman died, I'm very sorry for him and his family, that's a shame, although I think we need a source here? It doesn't make Khan a bad person, it makes him a young and reckless idiot though, but more so is his manager/promoter and father for telling him it was ok to drive such a car without driving experience

    The Peterson fight - he wasn't robbed, but it could go the other way and this is coming from someone routing for Peterson, I can see Khan's argument here, close fight gone either way. If I was Khan I may well put out the same media circus to get a rematch, can't hold that against him too much (although I initially did). I mean how many fighters don't moan after a close loss?

    Is Khan spoiled? Quite possibly, not such a bad egocentric type all thing considered though
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Khan is a television personality. I don't dislike him because i assign "blame" any more than I blame Eamon Holmes for being Eamon Holmes. Man, Eamon Holmes is a dick.

    When I hear about some kid in a fancy car running over some old guy at a pelican crossing, I just think "*****." I don't think, "wow, that guy was always going to have some disaster because that's a fast car", you know? So this is definitely a part of what makes him a ***** to me.

    I don't really think you can blame his manager and his dad, but it's not that important. I just mentioned it to put the circumstances you were dismissing with "kid in bad driving shocker" into context.

    And my God he whined and whined and whined about it, I mean to me he made more of a spectacle of himself with this whining and complaining and conspiracy theories than Haye did with his toe :lol:
     
  11. red cobra

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    :lol:..I really like this..
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    One thing about Toney's personality is that his anger and edge back in the days seemed more genuine.

    Now it seems contrived.
     
  13. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you run someone over at a pelican crossing, you're a ****ing ******* in my opinion
     
  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones strikes me as a good person, and a man who, despite the abuse he suffered as a child, has emerged less damaged than Toney.

    That coaching he's getting is helping him let go of the need to insert himself everywhere possible. Still, I think that his commentary is about as bad as it gets. You can almost feel his defensive tension when someone brings up bogus belts and he may be the reason why the others don't bash the sanctioning bodies anymore.

    His grammar is so bad it's annoying. He's going to be 50 years old and still have a compelling urge to call people "dog." I hope he can overcome hip hop's insistence that black men stay "authentic" (i.e. ignorant).

    Antonio Tarver is another story altogether. I find his analysis really good, at times as good as Leonard's was back in the mid-80s. And Tarver actually corrected his own grammar by adding an "ly" to an adverb after botching it the first time. He got my vote as broadcaster of the year.
     
  15. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loved watching both but Toney was my favourite. Proper old skool fighter.