Who you rank higher in your p4p list: Benny Leonard or Willie Pep?

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Of the two, who you rank higher in your All Time P4P list?

  1. Benny Leonard

    9 vote(s)
    75.0%

  2. Willie Pep

    3 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. Gui Dosnera

    Gui Dosnera Member Full Member

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    2 absolute legends and all time greats of the Sweet Science.
    I have both in my top 20 p4p list.
    Record wise, I rank the Ghetto Wizard slightly ahead of Pep.

    Here's some few stats:

    Campions beaten:
    Benny Leonard: 9
    Willie Pep: 9

    Fights against champions:
    Benny Leonard: 27
    Willie Pep: 21

    Wins against HOF's:
    Benny Leonard: 7
    Willie Pep: 3

    Fights against HOF's:
    Benny Leonard: 26
    Willie Pep: 10

    World Title Fights:
    Benny Leonard: 11
    Willie Pep: 14

    World Title Defenses:
    Benny Leonard: 9
    Willie Pep: 9

    Career Fights Record:
    Benny Leonard: 185-22-9-3(NC)
    Willie Pep: 229-11-1

    Who do you got ahead?
     
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  2. split_decision

    split_decision Electronic information tampers with your soul Full Member

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    Pep
     
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  3. OldNUgly

    OldNUgly New Member Full Member

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    Pep.

    Pep fought in 1,956 rounds!
     
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  4. Gui Dosnera

    Gui Dosnera Member Full Member

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    Another interesting stat that one might add are Title Fights rounds:
    Benny Leonard: 107
    Willie Pep: 157
     
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  5. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Pep for me
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    For what it's worth, in the Classic Survey from a few years ago, Pep was #9 and Leonard was #11.

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  7. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

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    Leonard for me. I think the Lightweight division he presided over was better than the Featherweight one Pep did, and let's not forget that, while he didn't win the Welterweight title, his performances against Lewis and Britton help tilt the scales in his favour in a pound for pound sense.

    No shame in being 1-3 against Saddler, as Saddler was (much as it pains me to admit it, as I'm not a fan) an all-time great himself. And I know, I know - dirty tactics and all that jazz. But if we're comparing two legends we've got to set some pretty demanding standards, and in comparison nobody really had the wood on Leonard definitively in his prime years like that.

    The only issue for me here is the reliability of newspaper decisions.
     
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