Who you rate the better...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by WhataRock, Nov 30, 2008.


  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Defensive fighter...Sweet Pea or Locche


    Puncher...Freitis or Pac


    Chin....Hopkins or Hagler


    Speed(overall)...F. Mayweather or Leonard


    Heavyweight...Wlad or Bowe
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Defensive fighter: Sweet Pea

    Haven't seen a lot of locche, but I think Pea gets preference because he was very unique in his defensive manuevers and still extremely successful.

    Puncher: Freitas

    Pacquiao scores his knockouts by having fast hands, and unloading multiple combinations. Freitas had more one punch power.

    Chin: Hagler

    Hopkins is very rarely hit cleanly, whereas Hagler took shots from Hearns and Mugabi without ever looking truely hurt. Hell of a chin.

    Speed: Leonard

    Leonard threw some of the best combinations ever in terms of speed and power, so I give him the edge over the also very fast Floyd.

    Heavyweight: Bowe

    Bowe fought better opposition, and in eachother's primes, I think Bowe gets the better of Wlad.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Defensive fighter- Locche, while Whitaker was the more well rounded, overall more skilled fighter of the two.

    Puncher- Frietas was a bigger puncher than Pac, while Pac has most everything else going in his favor.

    Chin- Has to be Hagler, even though Hopkins's chin is rock solid, he's been down and stunned before, while Hagler has never been legitimately down, and aside from a huge shot to the temple from Hearns, never stunned badly. He's also faced the bigger punchers and taken the better, harder shots flush to prove his chin. Hopkins is probably the better defensive fighter though.

    Speed(overall)- Floyd seemed generally faster overall (the lighter weight version anyway), while Leonard was faster in combination, or when he really put his foot on the gas.

    Heavyweight- Bowe by a fair margin. One of the best ever IMO skill-wise at his peak.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I mainly voted for Whitaker due to my lack of knowledge of Locche, so I may have to go do some research. If you of all people rate Locche's defense above Pea's then it shouldn't be missed.

    I think Bowe would have probably unified the Heavyweight division if he was around today, and the only fighter giving him trouble would be Vitali. Wladimir has some good skills also, especially for a big fella, but he has no inside game, whereas Bowe could work behind the jab, and rough up his man inside. Shame he had such a short prime.
     
  5. Manassa

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    He did say defensive fighter, and they were both defensive fighters - Whitaker was better.

    ;)
     
  6. the cobra

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    Locche appears to have been more defensive minded than Whitaker. He had defense covered on all fronts, blocking and catching, slipping, etc. Whitaker the overall superior fighter, but Locche slightly higher for pure defense.

    One-punch power is Freitas. Pac the faster puncher with a better arsenal IMO.

    Hagler's is more proven.

    I'd say Leonard. Floyd was quicker of foot, but I think Leonard was faster overall, certainly at combination punching.

    Bowe was a significantly superior fighter at his peak IMO. I think for purely achievements Wlad could potentially top him some day depending on what he does from here on as Bowe failed to live up to his talent.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    Depends on what he's looking for. Locche had the better defense IMO (than anyone I've seen, despite the lesser footage that exists of him, most of which is past prime), Whitaker was the better all around fighter, who also happened to have sublime defense.
     
  8. Manassa

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    I was just being picky for something or nothing, because I don't know what you heard.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    Defensive: Sweet Pea
    I think Locche was somewhat overrated in this area, I think he would have been troubled by anyone with extreme pace.

    Puncher: Freitas for 1-punch power, Pac for all-round finishing ability

    Chin: Very difficult one this. I think Hopkins would be harder to stop than Hagler as he has a better defence, but if you're talking purely the ability of absorb a punch then on the basis of the evidence available, you'd probably have to go with Hagler. Hopkins's troubles with Mercado may have been partly due to high altitude conditions, but he was floored and hurt, whereas Hagler was never. Hagler has the slight edge on chin.

    Speed: Leonard faster of hand, Mayweather faster of foot. Overall, I give the edge to Leonard.

    Heavyweight: Bowe is a better fighter all-round than Wlad.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    Puncher - Freitis has more power Pac is more likely to land

    Chin - Hagler (Hopkins has a better defense and is a better boxer)

    Speed(overall) - Leonard (Mayweather has better defense and timing of shots)

    Heavyweight - Bowe
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    You referred to his defense as less than modernized before. I have to ask what footage of him you've seen. And certainly not "any" fighter with a high pace would trouble him, just the elites. His defense was about as pitch perfect as it gets for a primarily stationary fighter, particularly one that fights off the ropesm. He really covered all the bases in terms of ability to slip, roll, catch, counter, etc. Better than someone like Mayweather in that regard, handily IMO.
     
  12. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Locche covered-up into a shell as well as any fighter I've seen as well. His anticipation of offense coming his way was as sharp as a tack. Part of his defense wasn't just slipping, bobbing and weaving, etc, but also standing stationary and putting up the shutters.
     
  13. brownshell

    brownshell Active Member Full Member

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    Punch belongs to Shavers
     
  14. brownshell

    brownshell Active Member Full Member

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    chin belongs to Holyfield.
     
  15. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    It's a matter of choosing between the two fighters mentioned in the individual categories. Not the most impressive of all-time in each category. And 'chin' wouldn't belong to Holyfield if that was the case anyway. Look no further than McCullough, Hagler, Chuvalo, McCall, etc, when it comes to sheer granite chins.