Who'd have the better chance of winning: HOPKINS (v Hagler) or MAYWEATHER (v Sweet P)

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  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Have you seen Whitaker fight at lw? The Haugen fight for example? He was far more offensive in that period than people remember. LW Whitaker v LW Mayweather?? No way PBF wins IMO, no way no how.
     
  2. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's off the top of my head...i'll do some more research later on and get back to you on that.
     
  3. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think whitaker would probably win the fight but see it as closer than most so i'll play devils advocat

    Firstly and the only chance floyd has is to take away pea's jab from him, what makes this fight so difficult for floyd is that the 2 major weapons he struggles against are a good jab and a southpaw fighter. Whitaker had one of the finest jabs ever. However the best punch to counter a southpaw jab with is a straight right, which is floyd best punch, he need to land that early and often, if he can do that and make whitaker a bit wary of using it its a much closer fight.

    Both are superb on the defence, floyd i think needs to be a lot busier than he fights now and try and match whitaker workrate which will be high, 30 punches a round are not going to win him the fight. Also he got to use the times where whitaker is very agressive to his best advantage with his superb countering skills and accuracy.He also cannot let whitaker win all of the early rounds, if he can keep it tight for the 1st 6 mayweather has got a uncanny abiility to make adjustments to his style and come on late which is what he would have to do here.

    It would not be easy and whitaker has to be favoured heavily, but nor is it impossible
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    When I said stronger, I actually meant hits harder (honestly), Im not sure who is stronger between Pea & FMJ, your right about Whitaker having a strong deceptive physique, he showed it vs the bull that is Chavez.

    :good
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    I agree that Mayweather hit harder, but he definitely didn't hit hard enough to stop Whitaker or even seriously hurt him at all, so that's another factor I don't see being of great importance in that fight.

    I'm sending you a PM just now mate :good
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I agree with Floyd's father. He was measurably vulnerable to southpaws.

    I'll go with Hopkins' chances with that in mind.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I rate both their chances as slim. I'd probably be more surprised if Mayweahter beat Whitaker, but a win for Hopkins would shock me just about as much.

    I don't see this being a 50-50 fight like most here are saying. Hopkins was not beaten a fighter NEAR as good as Hagler.
     
  8. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Hopkins is strong, but is he that strong? I think it would be a "styles make fights" kind of battle. Hopkins is crafty but in no way could he KO Hagler. If it became a war Hopkins would obviously lose. Close call.

    PBF, although I think he is a total *******, is one skilled fighter. If we have prime Sweet Pea, not the coked version, this will be an amazing fight. Two defensive masters with very decent offense. I don't think they will bring one punch KO power, so I see this being a SD, or UD. If somehow, one of them gets the better of the other, then you could see a late accumulation stoppage. PBF had troubles with Zab, another lefty, so you'd have to say that is a big bonus for Whittaker, who definitely doesn't have "emotional" problems.

    Overall, after analysing it, I'd say Hopkins has a slightly better chance, but this is a real pick'em scenario. Hagler could KTFO Hopkins while I don't think Pea is going to KTFO Floyd.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    Did Hagler ever beat anyone as good as peak Hopkins at middleweight?
     
  10. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Both Floyd & Bernard would get blown out in one way or the other against the ATG's.
    They can't touch Hagler or Whitaker.
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    Are you saying that you don't think Hopkins or Mayweather are ATGs?
     
  12. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really don't see hagler KO hopkins, hopkins has a great chin and brilliant defence, both fights mentioned are going the distance apart from some unforseen injury or a cut
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nope, but guys like Hearns, Leonard (who I think Hagler beat) and Sibson, Roldan, Hamsho, Antuofermo are closer to the likes of Hopkins (ability wise) than the middleweight garbage on Bernard's resume is to Marvin Hagler.

    The best middleweights Hopkins fought he lost against.
     
  14. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't this guy train Whitaker?

    Lou Duva's top 10 fighters ever.....

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Willie Pep
    7. Joey Giardello
    8. Jake LaMotta
    9. Sugar Ray Leonard
    10. Pernell Whitaker



    Mayweather would stick his jab into Pea's chest all night long, use his elbows and win a a tough decision.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    I think that's a little unfair.

    Jones was the best middleweight Hopkins fought, and OK Hop lost but that Jones was better than anyone Hagler fought in his entire career at middleweight.

    It is very debatable whether peak Jermain Taylor would have beaten the Felix Trinidad who destroyed William Joppy. Joppy took Taylor the full 12 while Trinidad annihilated him in 5. Taylor was a more proven middleweight, but he was not necessarily a better one than the pre-Hopkins version of Trinidad.