Who'd Win Lennoxx Lewis or Sonny Liston ?

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  1. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    boxer: Sonny Liston
    Global ID 9031
    sex male
    birth date 1932-05-08
    death date 1970-12-30
    division heavyweight
    nationality United States
    residence Saint Louis, Missouri, United States
    birth place Sand Slough, AR, USA
    birth name Charles L. Liston
    stance orthodox
    height 6′ 0½″
    reach 84“
    won 50 (KO 39) + lost 4 (KO 3) + drawn 0 = 54
    rounds boxed 270 : KO% 72.22
    biography




    bouts
    Lb St Kg date print

    date Lb opponent Lb W - L - D last 6 location
    1970-06-29 219 Chuck Wepner 228 20-5-2
    Jersey City Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 10 10
    ~ referee: Barney Felix ~
    Wepner down in fifth by body punch; fight stopped by ring doctor after round 9 because of multiple cuts on Wepner's face.

    1969-12-06 219½ Leotis Martin 199 30-5-0
    International Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L KO 9 12
    ~ time: 1:08 | referee: Mike Kaplan | judge: Mike Petrovich 37-34 | judge: Art Lurie 38-36 | judge: Ralph Mosa 38-35 ~
    ~ vacant NABF heavyweight title ~
    (Newly Created Title)
    Martin was forced to retire shortly afterwards, as he suffered a detached retina in this bout. Martin took a manditory 8-count in the fourth round. Liston was flattened with a vicious right.

    1969-09-23 226 Sonny Moore 208 20-30-2
    Sam Houston Coliseum, Houston, Texas, United States W KO 3 10
    1969-05-19 217 George Scrap Iron Johnson 212 16-17-4
    Convention Hall, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 7 10
    ~ time: 2:55 | referee: Harold Krause ~

    1969-03-28 219½ Billy Joyner 195½ 9-4-3
    Kiel Auditorium, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W UD 10 10
    1968-12-10 215¾ Amos Lincoln 209½ 39-10-2
    Civic Center, Baltimore, Maryland, United States W KO 2 10
    ~ time: 2:46 | referee: Benny Goldstein ~

    1968-11-12 219 Roger Rischer 200 28-11-2
    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 3 10
    ~ time: 2:23 | referee: Buck McTiernan ~
    Main event of a benefit card for Ben Anolik, Pennsylvania's first heart transplant patient

    1968-11-03 223 Willis Earls 189 4-7-1
    Bull Ring, Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico W KO 2 10
    ~ time: 1:52 ~

    1968-10-14 221 Sonny Moore 195 20-28-2
    Memorial Coliseum, Phoenix, Arizona, United States W TKO 3 10
    1968-07-06 219 Henry Clark 215 15-3-2
    Cow Palace, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 7 10
    ~ time: 2:47 | referee: Frankie Carter ~

    1968-05-23 222 Billy Joyner 189½ 9-3-3
    Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W RTD 7 10
    ~ referee: John Thomas ~
    Joiner down in the 3rd. Joiner retired in his corner after 7 rounds.

    1968-03-16 223 Bill McMurray 210 23-18-2
    Coliseum, Reno, Nevada, United States W KO 4 10
    ~ referee: Davey Pearl ~

    1967-04-28 220 Elmer Rush 214 15-3-2
    Johanneshov, Stockholm, Sweden W TKO 6 10
    ~ referee: Harry Gibbs ~
    Rush down twice in 4th, three times in 5th and four times in 6th

    1967-03-30 221½ Dave Bailey 215 15-16-3
    Masshallen, Gothenburg, Sweden W KO 1 10
    ~ time: 2:22 ~

    1966-08-19 218¼ Amos Johnson 200½ 22-4-2
    Nya Ullevi, Gothenburg, Sweden W KO 3 10
    ~ referee: Bengt Almqvist ~

    1966-07-01 221 Gerhard Zech 226 32-5-1
    Johanneshov, Stockholm, Sweden W KO 7 10
    ~ time: 1:11 ~
    "A crowd of 12,000 saw Liston, of Denver, Colo., flatten Zech with a short left-right combination. The German, his face and shoulders covered with blood from a cut over his right eye, got up reeling at the count of 10, but it was too late." (Associated Press)

    1965-05-25 215¼ Muhammad Ali 206 20-0-0
    St. Dominic's Hall, Lewiston, Maine, United States L KO 1 15
    ~ time: 2:12 | referee: Jersey Joe Walcott | judge: Coley Wallace | judge: Russ Leonard | judge: Joe Colvin ~
    World Heavyweight Title
    Attendance: 2,434

    1964-02-25 218 Muhammad Ali 210½ 19-0-0
    Convention Hall, Miami Beach, Florida, United States L RTD 7 15
    ~ referee: Barney Felix 57-57 | judge: Bernie Lovett 58-56 | judge: Gus Jacobson 56-58 ~
    World Heavyweight Title
    Liston retires on his stool citing an injured shoulder
    After this fight Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammad X and then Muhammad Ali. ~
    1964 Fight of the Year - Ring Magazine

    1963-07-22 215 Floyd Patterson 194½ 38-3-0
    Convention Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 15
    ~ time: 2:09 | referee: Harold Krause ~
    World Heavyweight Title
    Patterson down 3 times
    (Poster)

    1962-09-25 213 Floyd Patterson 189 38-2-0
    Comiskey Park, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 1 15
    ~ time: 2:05 | referee: Frank Sikora ~
    World Heavyweight Title

    1961-12-04 212¼ Albert Westphal 195 24-8-3
    Convention Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 1 10
    ~ time: 1:58 | referee: Zach Clayton | judge: Jim Mina | judge: Nick Spano ~

    1961-03-08 219½ Howard King 204 37-21-8
    Miami Beach, Florida, United States W TKO 3 10
    ~ time: 0:53 | referee: Cy Gottfried ~

    1960-09-07 211 Eddie Machen 196 34-2-1
    Sicks' Stadium, Seattle, Washington, United States W UD 12 12
    ~ referee: Whitey Domstad 119-112 | judge: Ely Caston 118-114 | judge: Sam Heller 118-116 ~
    Liston penalized three points for low blows.

    1960-07-18 212½ Zora Folley 198½ 51-3-2
    Coliseum, Denver, Colorado, United States W KO 3 12
    ~ time: 0:28 ~

    1960-04-25 212½ Roy Harris 195 30-1-0
    Sam Houston Coliseum, Houston, Texas, United States W TKO 1 10
    ~ time: 2:35 | referee: Jimmy Webb ~
    Harris was down three times.

    1960-03-21 212½ Cleveland Williams 215½ 45-3-0
    Sam Houston Coliseum, Houston, Texas, United States W TKO 2 10
    ~ time: 2:13 | referee: Ernie Taylor ~
    Williams was down for an 8-count before the knockout.

    1960-02-23 212¼ Howard King 195 35-19-8
    Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, United States W TKO 8 10
    1959-12-09 210 Willi Besmanoff 201 42-17-7
    Arena, Cleveland, Ohio, United States W TKO 7 10
    ~ referee: Mike Minnich ~
    "Besmanoff absorbed a barrage of punches in the sixth and was bleeding from several bad gashes over his eyes. The referee stopped the bout between rounds and it was scored a seventh round technical knockout." (Associated Pess)

    1959-08-05 211 Nino Valdes 211 47-18-3
    Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 3 10
    ~ time: 0:47 | referee: Bernie Weismann | judge: Frank Clark | judge: Howard Walsh ~

    1959-04-15 212½ Cleveland Williams 210¼ 43-2-0
    Miami Beach, Florida, United States W TKO 3 10
    ~ time: 2:13 | referee: Jim Peerless ~
    Williams was knocked down twice in the 3rd.

    1959-02-18 209½ Mike DeJohn 202 37-5-1
    Exhibition Hall, Miami Beach, Florida, United States W TKO 6 10
    ~ time: 2:43 | referee: Jim Peerless ~
    (Poster)

    1958-11-18 211 Ernie Cab 211¼ 13-9-1
    Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, United States W TKO 8 10
    Bout stopped by the ring doctor between the 7th and 8th round. Cab had a cut over his left eye and nose.

    1958-10-24 212½ Bert Whitehurst 190 24-14-4
    Arena, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W UD 10 10
    ~ referee: Harry Kessler 50-37 | judge: Howard Hess 50-40 | judge: Fred Connell 48-39 ~
    Whitehurst was knocked through the ropes, and was attempting to climb back into the ring as the final bell rang at the count of seven.

    1958-10-07 212 Frankie Daniels 191 32-15-2
    Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, United States W KO 1 10
    ~ time: 2:22 ~

    1958-08-06 204 Wayne Bethea 204 17-8-2
    Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 1 10
    ~ time: 1:09 | referee: Bernie Weismann ~

    1958-05-14 204 Julio Mederos 199 20-18-3
    Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 3 10
    ~ referee: Bernie Weismann ~
     
  2. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1958-04-03 205 Bert Whitehurst 192 24-13-2
    Kiel Auditorium, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W PTS 10 10
    1958-03-11 210 Ben Wise 200 9-7-1
    Midwest Gymnasium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 4 8
    1958-01-29 210 Billy Hunter 193 11-4-2
    Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 2 6
    1956-03-06 203 Marty Marshall 179 23-9-2
    Pittsburgh Gardens, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States W UD 10 10
    Audience: 2,551. Gate: $6,437
    Marshall, a last minute substitute for Harold Johnson, lost all but the first round and it was even. Johnson hurt his shoulder while training for the bout. (UP)

    1955-12-13 209 Larry Watson 181 37-26-1
    Alnad Temple, East Saint Louis, Illinois, United States W TKO 4 10
    1955-09-13 212 Johnny Gray 193 9-3-1
    Victory Field, Indianapolis, Indiana, United States W TKO 6 10
    1955-05-25 206½ Calvin Butler 197 4-2-0
    Arena, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W TKO 2 8
    ~ time: 2:18 ~

    1955-05-05 202 Emil Brtko 197 15-1-0
    Duquesne Gardens, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 5 10
    ~ time: 2:55 ~

    1955-04-21 202 Marty Marshall 181 21-7-2
    Kiel Auditorium, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W TKO 6 10
    Marshall was down 4 times, and Liston once (in the 4th round).

    1955-03-01 202 Neal Welch 208 14-9-1
    Masonic Temple, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W PTS 8 8
    1954-09-07 204 Marty Marshall 180½ 18-5-2
    Motor City Arena, Detroit, Michigan, United States L SD 8 8
    Liston suffered a broken jaw in an early (supposedly, fourth) round of this fight.

    1954-08-10 201 Johnny Summerlin 195¾ 19-2-2
    Motor City Arena, Detroit, Michigan, United States W SD 8 8
    Summerlin had suffered a fractured nose in a sparring session shortly before this fight.

    1954-06-29 206 Johnny Summerlin 193 19-1-2
    Motor City Arena, Detroit, Michigan, United States W UD 8 8
    1954-03-31 203 Stanley Howlett 203 5-0-0
    Arena, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W PTS 6 6
    1954-01-25 201 Martin Lee 208 1-2-0
    Masonic Temple, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W TKO 6 6
    1953-11-21 198 Bennie Thomas 184 5-1-0
    Kiel Auditorium, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W SD 6 6
    1953-09-17 200 Ponce DeLeon 215 9-18-4
    Kiel Auditorium, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W PTS 4 4
    1953-09-02 200½ Don Smith 179 3-1-0
    Arena, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W TKO 1 4
    ~ time: 0:33 | referee: Jimmy Parker ~
    Smith apparently did not have a chance, as Liston swarmed all over him. When Referee Jimmy Parker halted the slaughter with Smith practically out on his feet, it was discovered that Smith also was sporting a badly lacerated right eye.




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  3. McGrain

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    I think Liston-Johnson would have been very interesting. Liston might have been a bit green for that one...

    Anyway, this is excellent stuff, where does it come from? Boxrec?
     
  4. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lennox wins against Liston.......
     
  5. THE BLADE

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    Tua had to jump 2 feet to get to Lewis chin and that took away a lot of his power . In my mind he never landed anything real flush on Lewis anyway.

    Tyson did land a good punch or two and Lewis showed a good chin.

    Vitali landed flush and had Lewis doing a dance number. But Vitali is certainly not the kind of puncher Liston was.

    I get your point that Lewis has an OK chin and not a glass chin like it is often assumed but if a big puncher lands his money puch perfectly he is out as was the case against MCall and Rahman. Maybe he would be able to outjab Liston and stay away from him but only maybe...
     
  6. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes!! Copied n pasted straight off there!!
     
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  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    If ordinary fighters like McCall or Rahman could crack that shaky chin, Liston will destroy Lewis quite quickly. Doubt the fight would go more than a round or two.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :twisted:
     
  10. Sweet Pea

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    Lewis wasn't exactly fast himself. In fact he was quite slow on his feet, and not very graceful. Liston had the better form on his jab by far, and good enough reach to land it.

    I actually think Liston is quite capable of pulling off the KO, considering he's better than anyone Lewis ever faced and a better puncher than the two he was starched by. I think Liston actually has all the tools in this one, though he's outsized. That's about the only thing that keeps me from picking Liston outright, the size advantage for Lewis. I think Liston was probably the better fighter. As it is, this is a difficult fight to pick.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A most excellent post.

    You agree that Wlad has better feet than Lewis?
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    Probably. I'd have to study some of his footage as I don't watch it all too often though. Lewis was just a bit of a plodder though. His footwork was not impressive. He was undeniably very effective though.
     
  13. LONGROB

    LONGROB Guest

    I'm a huge Liston fan but I'm going with Lewis 60/40 due to his height and ability to move if needed.
     
  14. Superfuzz

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  15. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Close to a 50:50 fight. I'd probably give Lewis the slight edge, by very tight decision. He'd have to produce one of his career best performances in order to pull it off.