Whom do you like more: Kessler or Calzaghe?

Roy Jones is not Muhammad Ali, I think the people of the world could survive without seeing him get beaten up one last time. This is a money-making venture, pure and simple, and I don't really give a **** if you disagree, but I think that saying a guy was shot 4 years ago, then signing to fight him knowing he is no longer capable of competing at world level, and touring around pretending you never said that and instead talking up this sham, IS pretty repulsive behaviour for a boxer. It's disrespectful to a legend and to the fans. My skin crawls when I think of Louis-Marciano, Holmes-Ali, all the fights like that, I hate seeing a once-great fighter being humiliated. Maybe if more people thought like me, we would be spared that spectacle from this sport.

 

We have had this debate before, you and I. I think you are living in dreamland McGrain, but it would take another lengthy explanation to properly give all my reasons yet again, and I don't think I or the ESB can really be bothered. RJJ was a God, but he is shot, and I don't even mean just normal shot, I mean utterly shot to pieces. This will be a mismatch. I don't want to go on as the thought of RJJ getting stopped again makes me nauseous.

 

I did not assert at all that people would be nostalgic for Jones in the same way they were for Ali. My point was that Joe himself is winding down his career and having taking on a series of tough challenges in the past few years (and he has don't let the spinsters tell you otherwise), he seemingly wants to go out with a soft touch.

Prior to the Hopkins fight, he seemed keen to take on Pavlik...it was only afterwards he did not seem so anxious...my thoughts are that he noticed that he was slowing down(the signs were there in the Kessler fight as well as the Hopkins fight) and decided he would simply take on one last fight for that final payday with what he considered the minimal of risk for big bucks.

There is nothing wrong with that. People always say in hindsight that an old champion should know when to retire and JC seemingly does...there will ALWAYS be new challenges awaitings for a Champion to take on....Patterson for instance for Marciano but we should respect guys for getting out while they can.

And to your last point, get real mate. Boxing is not a mainstream sport and through sheer name recognition the likes of Holyfield and Tyson would still sell out arenas despite the fact that they are shot to bits...Jones who has mainstream recognition in the States is the same. The only people that have your attitude towards the fight are proper boxing fans like those that grace these forums...we are not in the majority though and thats a fact I'm afraid.

Calzaghe has earned his easy final fight in my opinion and people should get off the guys back...he was getting criticised on these boards last summer for chasing Taylor (you know that guy that Pavlik made his name off of) and was being accused of ducking Kessler.

Oh the irony.

 

Nice to see you still cannot use reason or analysis in an argument.

I'll ask again, how many people said Braddock was shot before he fought Baer?

 

Has he?! I couldn't possibly disagree more. That resume... words fail me. There is not sufficient common ground to merit continuing this. End of debate.

 

Really?

I think I will bump a thread I did a long time ago...and we will see if the debate has ended noob.

 

I can't use reason?! Think about what you're saying here you poor misguided sod: what has Braddock got to do with Roy Jones? Braddock was said to be shot, then he won. What practical, real implications does this tenuous comparison have for Roy Jones when he is standing in that ring with Calzaghe? Do you not think maybe watching his last 6 or 7 fights and forming an opinion based on that might be more valuable and meaningful than talking about James J ****ing Braddock?

Nah, because you are the champion of reason and analysis. Good for you.

 

Ok hotshot...that is PACFAN 84...read my opening post and reply, please tell me a fighter that Calzaghe realistically could have fought that would have added signficantly to his legacy...

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53833

If you are interested I also critique the great career of Hopkins....this was done prior to the Hopkins fight so before you were a member.

 

Noob? What a silly sausage you are. Well done.

And I meant end of debate between you and I (hence the 'common ground' remark?), I wasn't trying to force all posters to stop posting obviously. You really are a little over-sensitive.

 

This has got rather gay.

Let's get back to the subject at hand - talking about how great Kessler and Calzaghe are.

 

I was referring to your joindate...though I joined this forum intially in 2004 myself so that could be wrong...

And seriously, I have read your posts and you do have boxing knowledge but I would honestly like you to respond to my old thread...

The one that I believe Calzaghe should have fought is DM as it was a fight that could have been made, would have given JC credibility at 175 and opened the door to a Prime RJJ fight...

Ottke and Hopkins weren't interested back in the day, that much is clear and sources can be found on the net.

Jones probably wouldn't have known who JC was so to me, Calzaghe had to beat somebody seriously of note (Ottke or preferably Hopkins or DM to get his attention).

All things considered, Calzaghe has had a great career considering who he has beaten and who he realistically could have fought.

 

Yawn. What an irrelevant link. If its encouragement you're after, yes I think it all looks lovely, you are clearly an intelligent (if rather biased) fellow, but I don't see what your purpose is. Whether Calzaghe could have got bigger fights or whether he couldn't have is irrelevant, the point is I don't think 9 years from 1997-2006 disposing of mediocre opposition then eventually taking on 2 or 3 difficult fights means someone has 'earned the easy option'. I look at guys who have always taken on the best challenges around and therefore got into wars (Barrera springs to mind), and I think that guy has earned a nice easy farewell fight. I do not think Calzaghe does, no way.

 

I made a post above, I would like you to address that one. Then I shall respond to this post....I think it's too easy just to throw up names without looking in depth at the reasons behind certain fights happening and certain fights not occuring...

 

Okay I'll help you out then put you back on ignore for a few months. Perhaps you'll grow up a bit in that time. Yes know, I know, I shouldnt be such an optimist.

Braddock was considered shot to **** of a level that Jones cant even comprehend. Then when he got a second chance he won the heavyweight world championship.. not a title, THE championship. Jones looked shot 4 years ago, but nowhere near as shot as Braddock looked. Since then he has improved a fair bit. Not back to prime by any stretch but improved. 4 years ago a fight with Joe would have been a joke, but now there is an outside chance he has one big fight left in him. Guys like Jones (and Ali and others before him) have earnt the right to go to grow old with that question answered.