Whos a greater fighter? Lennox or PBF?

DINAMITA · May 2, 2009

HOYA-UK said: ↑

If I were you I'd just give it up, no amount of words are going to convince anyone that Oscar was "close to prime" when he fought FMJ. He clearly wasn't. What I think you mean to suggest is that Oscar looked pretty good against Floyd, or that he looked "not that bad". Which is fair enough.

It's actually really easy to establish when Oscar's prime was, and you do that in the same way you do with every other fighter. Oscar was in his prime when he was at his physical peak, when he won most of his world titles, when he was undefeated and when he had his best cluster of wins. There is no question in my mind that the Oscar that fought Quartey is vastly superior version than the Oscar than fought FMJ.
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IMO Oscar's absolute peak was the time of the MA Gonzalez fight. Was that '97? It sure as ****ing hell wasn't 2007!!

DINAMITA · May 2, 2009

DINAMITA said: ↑

Spray around insults all you want - Lewis does have a better win resume than Mayweather. I rate Mayweather higher than Lewis myself, but the fact is that Lewis has a better win resume and therefore it is a legitimate viewpoint that Lewis is the greater fighter in an all-time p4p sense, because many people value win resume above all else.

To be honest Bill, for all your top notch posts, you swear blind that Calzaghe is a greater fighter p4p than Lewis, therefore your opinion on Lewis is not worth very much. I know you are not guilty of stupidity, therefore you must be guilty of bias, because the rotten-resumed one is never on the same level as Lewis.
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If you do respond to this post Bill, I'd be interested in your 1-5 of Mayweather, Lewis, Calzaghe, Tyson and Pacquiao.

the cobra · May 2, 2009

Mayweather.

ChrisPontius · May 2, 2009

shamrock92 said: ↑

Mayweather is light years away from Lewis in terms of skills, firstly. Lewis was technically good, with good power, a good jab and a good guard. On the other hand, his footwork was plodding and he had some lucky escapes with his chin on occasion. PBF is a cut above. His defence is one of the most efficient boxing's ever seen, and from a purist's perspective his game is faultless. He's blisteringly quick, dictates the pace of fights and doesn't gas down the straight.

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Lewis has good power?? Are you kidding me? Mayweather has good power; Lennox is a devastating puncher. Did you miss him icing Golota in 60 seconds, the same Golota who thrashed Bowe twice?

And calling his jab "good" is not doing him any justice, either. His jab was better than good, it was excellent. As for his footwork being "plodding", explain to me how he stayed off the ropes and corners for the entire 12 rounds against Tua if he was such a plodding giant?

I do agree that Mayweather is more skilled, but that's what you get with smaller boxers: they're always faster and more skilled than big guys.

Shamrock said:

Secondly, I just don't get why people seem to think Lewis has a better resume than Mayweather. PBF has ATGs on his record like DLH, Hatton and then a lot of quality fighters like Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Castillo, Corrales etc. Plus, he was undefeated. Lewis has two huge names on his record: Tyson and Holyfield. But everyone knows that they were both pretty washed-up by that stage, and that Tyson went on to lose to an Irish tinker who fights like an inebriated robot (ie. Kevin McBride) shows that he was well and truly gone off by the time Lewis fought him. Those victories count for little. Lewis does have several good fighters on his record, like Briggs, Golota, McCall, Botha whom he beat decisively. All in all, PBF edges him out.

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Lewis took on all comers and was ducked by both Bowe and Tyson (in '96, dropped his title and payed 4 million to avoid him), whereas some believe Floyd himself did some ducking. Plus, Lewis had to fight them in their own backyards.

Now i do think very highly of Floyd, a true master boxer that will go down in history as one of the greats, but ultimately, Lewis beat better men. He did lose twice, but avenged both by domination. One of those losses came when he was 35, plus you could make a case for Floyd losing to Castillo (also avenged, of course).

DINAMITA · May 2, 2009

ChrisPontius said: ↑

Lewis has good power?? Are you kidding me? Mayweather has good power; Lennox is a devastating puncher. Did you miss him icing Golota in 60 seconds, the same Golota who thrashed Bowe twice?

And calling his jab "good" is not doing him any justice, either. His jab was better than good, it was excellent. As for his footwork being "plodding", explain to me how he stayed off the ropes and corners for the entire 12 rounds against Tua if he was such a plodding giant?

I do agree that Mayweather is more skilled, but that's what you get with smaller boxers: they're always faster and more skilled than big guys.

Lewis took on all comers and was ducked by both Bowe and Tyson (in '96, dropped his title and payed 4 million to avoid him), whereas some believe Floyd himself did some ducking. Plus, Lewis had to fight them in their own backyards.

Now i do think very highly of Floyd, a true master boxer that will go down in history as one of the greats, but ultimately, Lewis beat better men. He did lose twice, but avenged both by domination. One of those losses came when he was 35, plus you could make a case for Floyd losing to Castillo (also avenged, of course).
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Nice work :happy

Danny_Rand · May 2, 2009

HOYA-UK said: ↑

Apparently only wins over prime versions of all-time greats like Diego Corrales matter? I'll tell you something, in the grand scheme of things, McCall and Rahman are just as valid opponents as someone like Corrales or Baldomir. In fact, I think they are better.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to this nonsense. Lewis has Rahman (1-1), McCall (1-1), Mercer, Mavrovic, Akinwande, Golota, Tua, Briggs, Bruno, Ruddock, Morrison, Botha, Klitschko, Tyson and Holyfield on his resume - you really think Floyd's resume can even compare, like I said, I'm a fan of Floyd, but this is laughable
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You rate Lewis win over ****ing Rahman and McCall higher the Mayweathers win over Corrales? tell me son, how much boxing have you actually watched the last 5 years?

FibreOptic · May 2, 2009

PBF by KO!!!

Tencount85 · May 2, 2009

It's gotta be Lennox.

Canibus81 · May 2, 2009

Zavy said: ↑

This poll shows me that Floyd is really the most hated on boxer on here. Granted, everyone loses, but Lennox got startched by two nobody's. Fighters that no one will think about in 20...no, 5 years from now. He was a good boxer, but he caught Holyfield andTyson both on the downsides of their careers. Mostly Tyson...having him on his resume is like ODLH having Chavez on his and Joe C bragging on beating Roy Jone Jr. This is insane. Floyd is cleary the greater fighter.
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I agree, this is why you know this is a Euorpean forum. I stopped reading after the second page.

DINAMITA · May 2, 2009

Danny_Rand said: ↑

You rate Lewis win over ****ing Rahman and McCall higher the Mayweathers win over Corrales? tell me son, how much boxing have you actually watched the last 5 years?
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Irrespective of whether they are or aren't (IMO Corrales is far better than either), Hoya's real point was that Lewis has an all-round stronger, better and deeper win resume. And he does.

asero · May 2, 2009

HOYA-UK said: ↑

Floyd was the better fighter P4P.

Lennox has a better resume.

Their accomplishments are about equal, although I would personally favour Lewis for being more dominant over a longer period of time.
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longetivity? they have the same amount of time on the top...more or less ten years...longetivity doesnt make that big of a deciding factor

captain k · May 2, 2009

On ability. Pbf all day long

Drexl · May 2, 2009

Bill Butcher said: ↑

You know, as soon as I seen this thread this morning/afternoon, I thought to myself `I bet these ******s here in general have gave Lewis more votes than Mayweather, but surely not even they could be so ****in moronic`

Guess what ?.... :-(... yes, you guessed.

Mark these words - ANYONE that even tries to compare Lewis to Mayweather on any level is a stupid **** that doesnt know **** about boxing or should stop watching the sport because your way way too biased.

What a bunch of ****in dimwits.

Im gonna read these posts now.

atsch
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******.

Clinton · May 2, 2009

MemoCan said: ↑

For better or worse, Lewis cleaned out his division. Mayweather ran from it.
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Which one?

FINITO · May 2, 2009

Floyd , and it's not even debatable.

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