Who's achieved more - Calzaghe or Hatton?

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  1. dan-b

    dan-b Guest

    He fought Collazo at 147 & I'm sure he didn't expect to get as tougher fight as he did. He then dropped back down & fought Urango then a shot Castillo all the while talking **** about Mayweather. The exact thing that causes him to not fight Witter apparently.
     
  2. MON

    MON Active Member Full Member

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    Dan, Mayweather started the war of words with Hatton, Hatton just picked up the baton and ran with it.

    According to Ray Hatton, the Mayweather fight was agreed months in advance and dependent on them both coming through their next two fights, the trash talk didn't make Mayweather fight him.



    It seems that people know more about Hatton than they do about Calzaghe, Calzaghe has fought a lot of average opponents, only a few of which rise above mediocrity, he also fought very poorly against some of them.

    Hatton beat one of the best in his divisions history - Calzaghe can't say that.
    Hatton has fought the best of his generation - Calzaghe can't come close to saying that.
    Hatton has won belts at two weights - Calzaghe can't say that.
    Hatton has fought and won in america many times - Calzaghe can't say that.
    Hatton has fought and beat two P4Pers - Calzaghe can't say that.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're being fair. Kessler may very well be better than a past it KT. Not sure, hard to tell because he fought no one after that fight so KT being past it is hindsight with not a lot of evidence.

    Didn't Eubank take the fight on a few weeks notice and have immense trouble making weight?
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok but I can do that as well.

    Calzaghe has more than 20 title defenses at his weight. Hatton can't say this.

    Calzaghe completely cleaned out his division. Hatton can't say this.

    Calzaghe is considered by many the greatest in his weight class (achievment wise) at the very least top 3. Hatton can't say this.

    Calzaghe defended his title against the top 4-5 guys in his division, Hatton has never done this, actually avoiding the top fighters in his division while he was champion (Witter, Cotto, Mayweather).

    Point is, it depends on what you value more.
     
  5. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe is undefeated and defended a Championship since 1997, adding the other major alphabet titles along the way and in more than 20 title defenses and you dare to ask who have achieved more? There is a very restricted number of fighters who have achieved what Calzaghe did worldwide and pound per pound.
     
  6. Circa

    Circa Skate And Destroy Full Member

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    JC by a mile.
     
  7. TAM83

    TAM83 Active Member Full Member

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    Based on achievements I'd say it's very close, but on talent it's not.
     
  8. dan-b

    dan-b Guest

    Well lets not go overboard, it was only the WBO but I do agree he has achieved more than Hatton.
     
  9. TAM83

    TAM83 Active Member Full Member

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    Alright kg0208 haven't chatted boxing with you in a while mate:good

    You could also view it that Calzaghe remained in his comfort zone, he spent a good few years defending his belt instead of pushing for unification. Hatton at least stepped up to 147 to become a 2 weight champion. Witter has only recently been viewed as a top 140 champion, Cotto didn't exactly go looking for Hatton either and Mayweather, well at least it happened eventually.

    Talent wise it's not close but achievement wise I reckon it's closer.
     
  10. MON

    MON Active Member Full Member

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    He was defending a crap title against poor fighters.

    Any fighter can defend a title for a long period of time against poor opposition, most seek bigger fights and drop the titles instead.

    You can't say Hatton avoided Cotto and Witter when Calzaghe never fought Hopkins, Jones, Johnson etc over the last 10 years. Cotto never even wanted to fight Hatton anyway. Witter's only really been pushed forward since the Harris win and Hatton's Mayweather loss.

    For me, Ricky's show ambition and hunger to prove himself....Calzaghe hasn't. He's finally taking on a P4P fighter...but the man is 43!!
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Well, we can watch how he performed. At the very least, Kessler is as good as a past-it, inactive Tszyu, and Hatton struggled greatly to beat Tszyu when he was at his physical peak and Calzaghe being 35 and defeating a prime Kessler in much easier fashion is a more impressive win, just not a more impressive name.
    Took it on a few weeks notice, but had been training for someone else for a while, had an easier time making weight than he did vs. Collins, where he was extremely over muscled. Against Calzaghe, he was at least trimmed down to how he looked at his best(I'm not claiming that was the best Chris Eubank, far from it), but he was in the best condition in a while overall.

    Realistically, a past it Eubank is just an okay win, because he's past it, but since the fight was not competitive but for a few rounds and Calzaghe laid a tremendous beating on him in green form, it gave a clear indication of what the fight would be like if Eubank was peak and Calzaghe was peak, as Eubank was past it but experienced and Calzaghe was youthful, but having little to no experience being green.
     
  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure this was a true indication of prime vs prime matchup. Some fighters peak early, and some deteriorate very fast. I think it's stretching it to say it indicates anything.
     
  13. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    "Calzaghe is one of the very best I've ever seen" ~ Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Ummm, can't imagine him saying that about Hatton.
     
  14. MON

    MON Active Member Full Member

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    This is based on achievement, not skill.
     
  15. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Active Member Full Member

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    The thread is wrong!!
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    you are making a comparison between a fighter who has just lost his career-defining fight and another one who's months away to have it.

    So let's wait until Calzaghe fights Bernard, if he'll get KOd (which won't happen) you would have two fighters with a strangely similar career: two good wins (wins over fading legends like Castillo and Tszyu in my opinion perfectly match victories over fading Eubank and prime Kessler and Lacy) and a gazillion of good but not great names in their records, both LEGIT world champions (I couldn't care less if Hatton snatched a trinket at welterweight since he's irrilevant) both undefeated until failing in their biggest fight.

    Very hard call to make.

    Obviously, if Calzaghe outpoints Hopkins, that's another story.