Who's An Old Time Fighter, That You Find Overrated?

Oh God, in my eyes Cerdan was a terror. An animal, or as one of Liebling's favorite trainers would say, a nanimal.

 

If I could do a poll, I'd try to find out what percentage of those Rocky worshipers are Italians. There was a time when it was almost mandatory to mount a big photo of Marciano behind the bar at Italian restaurants. To the patrons he was their symbol of manhood. Which reminds me of something I read about "the Rock", that wherever he made appearances he demanded that he be supplied with a new suit and a woman. And when he was done with the woman that day or night, he never wanted anything to do with her again.

 

This post is a wow!

 

Agree. Glorified bum. No class.

 

I believe Duran at lightweight would have little trouble with Benny Leonard and that the #1 rating of Benny is just a holdover from the days of Nat Fleischer as publisher of Ring.

 

Thanks mate, much appreciated.

 

Heart, fifteen rounds cardio, solid athleticism, and vigorously learned on the job skillset can get you far. Galento was a ranked contender on chin, left hook, and grit alone, as did many others through the history. Carnera had far more than that.

If anything, he is a test of whether the watcher confuses body mechanics and flashiness with a somewhat complete toolbox. Primo was lacking in some areas, but possessed championship qualities in others. Boxing and combat is very multilayered.

 

Granted, there isn't a lot of it, but Leonard doesn't impress you on film?

And the guys that gave Duran hard fights and extended him at 135 showed more somehow?

 

Agreed, initially my opinion of Carnera was awful but through the years after doing a little research I realized I had a superficial understanding of Primo Carnera. As with any defense of Primo it must be prefaced with the ole, "I'm not saying he's an all time great" but he's better than is generally realized as your list of his positive qualities indicate. Wikipedia lists the number of heavyweight champions starting with Sullivan as 105 . Where does Primo rank out of 105? Without doing an in depth comparison I'd estimate Carnera around a 50 to 60 level . There's a lot of champs Primo could beat with guts and chin. My 2 cents......

 

Actually. I find nothing wrong with that...
But what bothers me is the new suit.
Where about the new suit? He kept it or not?

 

Man wants consensual but no strings attached sex from woman. What a headline.

 

Fitz is a good shout, he looked like crap on film, he was a middleweight at a time where many heavyweights were just middleweights not cutting weight--not the same as Holyfield going up from CW to take on SHWs.

Dempsey ducked Wills and was inactive. Greb had no footage so it is hard to ordain him as the best ever (like some do)

 

Celebrities have different lives and expectations from the rest of us. I assume he kept the suits.

 

Fitz remains underrated if anything. Tunney could be considered overrated as a heavy, but as an all around fighter, nope. Dempsey pretty much invented BIG TIME prize fighting (with the help of Rickard) so if you hate on him, you hate on the sport to an extent.

My personal pick is Stanley Ketchel. I see the record. But both Langford and Johnson (OK, above his weight) had to carry him. And he looks preposterous on film.

 

If you think that a fighter looks crap on film, and they have one of the greatest records of all time, that might be telling you more about your ability to assess fighters based on film than the fighter.