Who's closer to being an ATG Miguel Cotto or James Toney?

I guess you could make a case for Cotto having accomplished more, but a motivated, focused Toney completely on his game is a beautiful sight to behold if you love the sweet science. He could make you miss by microns and counter so smoothly it was amazing... trickier than Bernard Hopkins.

 

i see what you did there...

 

Get the **** outta here. He's much more likely than not a first ballot HOF'er.

 

Toney was born to be a boxer... It's in his DNA. Not at all ultra talented like Jones, Floyd or Pac but out of all of them he possesses more natural boxing instinct... It doesn't hurt he's the most skilled out of all of them either.

 

Weak attempt at trolling comparing Toney to one several levels below. It's not clever, just makes you look clueless.

 

But not the display against Jones?

How OLD was Evander?


These polls are always about the rookie fans kissing the old school fighters asses. "Toney all the way bro! " < Yeah ****in right.


Toney's resume: Roy (L) Evander (W) < L o L

 

Keep on fishing! You'll get the bites, support, and attention you desire. :thumbsup

 

Still boxrecing. I see.
The fact that he only fought at lw once should tell you that he had no business fighting that low in the first place. He struggled to fight at lww where come fight night he was rehydrating back up to mw

Says the guy who think Cotto's win over a washed up Margarito (without plaster) is better than Toney's win over Jirov:good

I was comparing their mentalities not their fight record, which would cause the topic to go off in another direction completely

Listing Zab 'headcase' Judah and Corley as great wins

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Bailey your problem is you know nothing.

Pascal obviously was boiling himself down to fight at smw which is why it was so easy for him to move up. You notice he walks into the ring cut because he trained to add muscle mass on.

Nunn on the other hand moved up due to his lackadasial training practices you notice he put on a lot of fat at lhw.

Pascal's career was just starting when he moved up to lhw, while Nunn's best years were way behind him at that point. You have no understanding of Nunn's career or a decent definition of what prime means.

The again I am debating with the same guy who thinks Jones was near prime because he was ahead on one of the judges scorecards before getting ktfo by Lebedev

We are talking about Cotto's and Toney's boxing careers here, not their MMA bouts. You are trying to hard

Shot fighters tend to lose fights, which is why they shouldn't be fighting and wins over them count for nothing. Classing Diaz win over Morales as a meaningful win

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Now you are twisting my words? You must be desperate.

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You have completely lost the plot. There are plenty of top fighters who were limited and slow. You are a top fighter if you are able to make whatever advantages you have work for you.

 

Still not answering the questions I see .
What were Jirovs big wins and what did Jirov do after he lost to Toney.
Stop skipping the questions.
You are spending more time trying to justify how you answer posts on other threads and trying to bend things to suit yourself, then answering.
You keep saying Boxrecing as if to try and hide facts when being schooled .
You have even avoided Cottos resume. So why dont you do your amazing grading sysyem for Cottos opponents while you are at it. But first answer the question

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Answer the question before I can take you seriously again

 

Still cant answer

 

For the last time. He never had any great wins before he fought Toney. That doesn't mean he was a crap fighter
After Toney he moved up to hw a division he clearly had no business in.

I have never been schooled by you. A guy whose boxing knowledge begins and ends with boxrec.

How have I done that when while talking about Margarito, Judah and Mosley?

The fact is Cotto has some good/solid wins but no great wins. His best win is most probably the Mosley win(B+). Clottley(B) has talent but seems to always find ways to lose fights. Judah (B) was 0-2-1 going into the Cotto fight

Quality of opposition: Toney
Consistency: Cotto.
He has only lost to guys who were considered world class at the time, with the Margarito loss being a tainted loss.

For the record I think he lost the Clottey fight

For the time being I rate Toney's resume above Cotto's.

Still bothered by the fact that I applied it to Calzaghe's ATG resume
See above

No one takes you or any of your alts seriously.

You are clearly here to pursue your Toney hating agenda, which means that there is no point for this 'debate' to continue

ps: I hope boxrec crashes

 

Well, the way the IBHOF is going it will be so watered-down in say 10 years time when Cotto is eligible, that he might just get in first time round. Also, the voters themselves are obviously partial towards fighters they have seen, rather than more deserving candidates like Eddie Booker who there is little or no footage of.

Cotto was a very good fighter, but never unmistakenly great at any point in his career. He beat a host of good fighters, but was badly beaten by the only ATG he ever fought, and his best win is a close decision over a faded Mosley.

There are less deserving fighters already in there, and it wouldn't surprise me if he did breeze in first time round. However, this would represent a decline in HOF standards rather than anything overwhelmingly impressive about Cotto's resume.