Who's closer to being an ATG Miguel Cotto or James Toney?

Neither guy is an ATG, Toney is HOF, Cotto not yet, still needs to do more...

 

when he faced Roy Jones he got dominated badly, he was good maybe better than good but not ATG

 

When Fraizer faced Foreman, he got dominated badly, and in 2 ****ing rounds...Does that mean Fraizer is not an ATG??

 

I see where you draw your boxing knowledge... Boxrec.lol The James Toney that fought Roy Jones was in his prime. The Roy Jones that is probably the most gifted fighter that ever lived. Williams earned his draw with Toney, and basically got shut out in the return bout. So, you look like a dickless twat for describing it as drawS. I thought that James won the 1st fight with Montell, but did not see the second. I also did not see the Thadzi fight, so unlike you, I can't draw conclusions on fights that I did not see. However, I did see the Peter fights. James was old, fat, and fighting 60 lbs above his best weights. I still thought he won their 1st bout. Even bringing up the Peter fights shows what a troll you are.

Why not speak about the fights with Barkey, Nunn, Jirov, or Holyfield. If you want to judge 80 fight pros by their worst performances then a lot of fighters are going to look like ****.

 

:roflatschatsch Log off.

 

Clearly, Toney.

 

also checkout how these delusional gimps try and big up wins over jirov and barkley

jirov is the definition of eurobum, i dare one of these delusional ***** boycotters to tell me what jirovs 5 best victories are

barkley had previously been smashed to bits in one round by benn and then he lost to a shot 38 year old lightweight in roberto duran - and then you get these toney fanboys trying to make out that toneys win over barkley actually ment something :nut

and all this before even discussing that toney is a proven, multiple, anabolic steroids cheating disgrace :-(

the main thing toney will be remembered for is embarrassing the sport of boxing in the ufc by tapping out like a little pussyhole :rofl

 

You're a moron. Roy was the most talented fighter that ever lived, and a long time P4P #1 fighter. Losing to another ATG doesn't mean that you are not an ATG. Shitty Logic!

 

I'm a cotto fan and even I don't get why this is a question?

JT without a doubt!

 

Toney's win against Barkely was impressive because of the style in which he did it. Yes, Barkley lost a few fights, but he's also the guy that starched Thomas Hearns twice. Yes, Jirov the Eurobum that was the world cruiserweight champion, and Olympic Gold Medlaist was a **** fighter.:hey Listen, your replies show how little you know about actual boxing. Just shut your dick hole until I give you permission to speak. :yep

 

I love how you completly ignore the fact that Toney went 44-0 before he had to move up in weight to find someone who can give him a fight.

And really you think that the fights against Samuel Peter matter ? That's like saying the Spinks and Larry Holmes fights have an effect in Ali's legacy. Nobody cares.

 

James Toney had a low point in the middle of his career, but what other ex middleweight could have stopped Holyfield, had a close fight with the enormous Peters, and beaten an undefeated cruiserweight who throws more than 100 shots a round?

Do any of Cotto's victories come close to lasting the distance with prime Roy Jones? Only Hopkins, Toney, and the very underrated Jorge Castro lasted the distance with Jones at the low weights and the early part of his career. Cotto is an okay welterweight stopped by an ex-flyweight. Toney was pretty good from middleweight to heavyweight against very decorated opponents, not even close.

 

Holyfield was shot, Barkley is nothing special just a guy that had the style to beat Hearns. Jirov is a solid win, the Nunn one is a great one but those fighters where not ATG. Only Holly and was pst it. Toney is a HOF but not an ATG, to be a a ATG you had to beat another prime ATG fighter and a couple of great fighters.

 

how about we discuss prime toneys display against the mighty dave tiberi

how about we discuss toney scraping life and death split decisions against sosa and johnson

how about we discuss that james toney is anabolic steroid riddled disgrace :-(

it makes me sick that fanboys like you try and ignore this steroid abuse. that should be the 1st thing that comes out of any boxing fans mouth when james toney is mentioned :deal