Who's closer to being an ATG Miguel Cotto or James Toney?

Toney was closer to P4P#1 than Cotto ever was.

 

Lights Out is cemented his stature as an ATG while Coto is on his way to being hof fighter but needs some wins to aproach atg status

 

Toney was one of the few fighters to campaign at every division from middle to heavy at a world class level, and looked awesome at times, beating some quality names.

He also looked awful at his worst, such as losing to Thadzi and Griffin and getting a gift decision against Tiberi.

The truth is that Toney was terribly inconsistent throughout his career, and you can make him out to be whatever you want if you focus on his good (or bad) fights and completely ignore whatever conflicts with your argument.

The notion that Toney was great at his best but inconsistent should be simple to grasp, but lots of people seem to have trouble getting their heads around it.

This contrasts with Cotto, who was very good throughout his career, but at no point ever established himself as a great fighter.

 

Not even close.

 

LOL...Duran was a great LW... Toney was a great MW who beat a PRIME Mike Nunn. Do your homework kid. Great fighters have losses... Even Ray Robinson had losses. The only fighters that end up undefeated are the ones who avoid the real challenges to keep their undefeated record. Just b/c Duran and ALI lost doesn't mean they aren't great...and jsut b/c Toney has lost doesn't mean he's not great either. Step your game up kid.

Toney proved his greatness two ways....who he beat and how he beat them. His moving up all the way to HW and competiting against the best in the era he was in only solidified his greatness as a fighter...and that's just in terms of his ability and skills. Peter wasnt' a great HW...But Norton wasn't a great HW either, yet he beat ALI twice in most peoples eyes.

The Jirov and Holy wins were quality and great performances. Holy wasn't at his best but guess what... he wasn't shot. Yrs later Holy arguably beat the 7ft russian who was holding the WBA title hostage for a while under Don Kings Promotions and while Valuev wasnt' great either he was a top HW at that time.

Bring up the roids... I don't care one way or the other... his skills speak for themselves above anyone else in the last 25 yrs. Roy Jones, Holy and a slew of other fighters have been caught using roids so the elephant in the room can make himself comfortable as it's a part of the history of boxing...right or wrong. Not to mention the roids that were found in James system BOTH times were roids commonly given to help speed up recovery time, not build muscle mass like other steriods.

And I'll be that... a ***** that is... I kind of dig that you feel compelled to give me a pet name. I like you too sweetheart.:thumbsup

 

atsch PED's? Seriously... you don't deserve a response... but I actually want to help you out. James never got caught with PED's or EPO's dummy... He got caught with Steriods that commonly prescribed by doctors to help sped up recovery time for certian kinds of injuries. Not that James didn't do something wrong... he did, he paid for it but there are far more athletes out there who have been using and have never been caught.

 

PED's DO exist, and they don't mean a damn in deciding who is greater between Toney and Cotto. Toney's career at 160 and 168 (prior to testing positive) far exceeds Cotto's. McCallum and Nunn are much better than anybody Cotto has ever beat (and don't even mention a past-it Mosley).

Ridiculous. Can't even believe people are debating this. The fact that this poll isn't 100% to 0% in favor of James Toney boggles my mind. Un-****ing-believable.

 

See, that's where you messed up, brah: Your standards for the general forum are just waaaaaaaaay too high.

 

not even close. toney>cotto

 

Huge Cotto fan, but C'mon son, Toney >> Cotto, and it aint close.

 

Kudos! I agree that James is one of those fighters that on his best days wowed and amazed us. Miguel on the other hand looked good on his rise but never was able to meet expectation. I think that neither of these fighters are overall ATG...but, Toney comes closer than Miguel.

 

You guys in here, Headbanger and Bailey are only in here because of calzaghe. You guys are worthless. LOL

 

WTF? these guys shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

 

Toney an ATG ?

No ATG loses to Tiberi, an old McCallum, Thadzi, Griffin etc, and fails to win a single round against a legit ATG Jones (who was admittedly another steroids cheat).

His heavyweight career is an absolute disgrace - beats a shot Holyfield, resorts to roiding his way to a title win against Ruiz, gets gifts against Rahman and Oquendo, gets completely thrashed against Peter, and shamefully gets caught roiding again.