Who's closer to being an ATG Miguel Cotto or James Toney?

lol at mr boxrec.

 

My definition of an ATG is a fighter who consistently produced great performences against solid opposition over a long period of time.
Toney fails due to his lack of consistency, post Jones.

 

Are you ****ing dense, Toney's record is deep and filled with good and great fighters, it has spanned from middleweight all the way to Heavyweight.
He's beaten the likes of Barkley, Nunn, Holyfield.

What else does someone have to do to be recognized by you ******s

 

:rofl Dude... you clutching at straws... No one claimed Toney was the #1 or #3 ATG of all time. You are holding James to a higher level than he should be. James is one of the best Crusier weights of all time and one of the best MW's of all time. That's ATG worthy in itself based purely on what he accomplished.

Your arguement is weak sauce kid.... "here's why"... People consider Robinson the greatest of all time... that is subjective and its all opinion based... yes... the MAJORITY feel Robinson belongs atop the ATG list but there are other worthy fighters whom have all held claim to that title and some still feel a Sandy Sadler, Burley or Pep could have been above Robinson.

The same way that MOST EVERYONE (except you) feels that James is without question a PROVEN ATG... there are some knuckleheads who don't agree, but let it be known... you sir are in the MINORITY and rightfully so.

Ali is one of the greatest HW's of all time... but Louis has equal if not MORE claim to that mythical title. Again.. it's all opinion but based on what they did, when they did it, how they did it and against whom all play a part in their legacy and where they stand.

In your mind doesen't equate to "reality" kid. Just b/c YOU SAY Toney isn't a ATG but a shoe in for HOF "that's about it".. doesn't miraculously change your perception into reality. That's ****ing silly kid. James has a lot more quality wins that just Nunn and Jirov. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

His career is riddled with ups and downs and contraversy... MOST fighters careers are. ALI was suspected of cheating in the Forman fight and in a few other fights as well kid. But the skills is undeniable.. PERIOD.

And yes... I did compare ALI/Norton to Toney/Peter. Considering Norton wasn't a great HW at all and he was facing a man his size and Toney coming up from MW to fight a BIG HW I'd say there's room to compare... All things considered the eras and level of comp were vastly different but you can't blame a fighter for fighting in a weak era. They do that to Jones all the time.

A shot to **** fighter was ALI vs Berbick not Holy when Toney dismantled him.

I'm a real boxing fan... unlike you. I know the realities of the sport.. those who are caught are a small group of who really are in this circle. It's just what it is. You can stick your head in the ground all you want but it's only you looking the fool. It's not a good look by the way.

You missed one thing.... You are getting a great lesson.:yep

 

What is your definition of an ATG?

 

He would of been prime during those losses

Green contender

Prime, but not sure

Prime

Way past prime at that point and he was robbed in the first fight against Peter.

The losses that really matter are the ones during your prime and just a little past prime, losses when you are green or way over the hill dont count.

 

Cotto's my favourite fighter, but gotta say that fat slob Toney

 

:deal Toney is ridiculously overrated. Dave Tiberi, Drake Thadzi, Montell Griffin, caught with steroids at least twice, was getting dominated by Nunn, faced an atg was completely dominated, disappeared for 10 years and came back for one great win and didn't do **** afterwards.

 

^This

JT is already considered an ATG.

 

Then dont comment bellend

Why do you say Boxrec? Cotto beat those fighters. If you cant debate it, dont comment

Why dont you do one of your own legendary ratings systems atsch.
You know, the ones you do where you rate world champs as journeymen to suit your criteria and label them as bin men.
How do you rate Thadzi A+ :yep because surely he cant be a bin man like you have called other fighters :hi:.

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Toney is a proven cheat, caught more than once. Cotto is a fighter who even beat a proven cheat supposed ATG before he scored one of his greatest wins

 

Funniest part of this thread is that all these people call Toney an ATG but cant say why
Toney has a few good wins but some very lucky decisions also

This is why I rate Cotto

Cotto beat -
- Malignaggi (undefeated) who went on to become a world champ
- Ndou who went on to become a world champ
- Maussa (undefeated) who went on to become a world champ
- Torres (undefeated) who went on to become a world champ
- Judah who went on to become a world champ
- Mosely who went on to become a world champ
- Margarito
- Foreman who was a world champ
- Mayorga
- Clottey who relinquished his world title to make the fight (world champ against world champ)
- Quintana (undefeated) who went on to become a world champ and beat P Williams when undefeated
- Urkal who was world class and had been European champ
- Branco who was world class
- Corley who was world class
- Bailey who was world class
- Pinto who was world class (undefeated)
- Abdullaev
- Gomez
- Jennings
- Sosa
- Bazan
- Juuko

Would you all rate Cotto if he drew with S Williams , looked lucky against Tiberi , lost to Thadzi , twice couldnt beat M Griffin . Was behind on points against Nunn, and had how many SDs . Oh and was a proven cheat

 

You were clearly boxrecing listing Corley as a great win. Margarito ?
What has he done since he got busted loading his wraps?

Because as we all know it is completely impossible for journeymen/binmen to become world champions.

Thadzi was a journeymen

Which supposed ATG did Cotto beat?