Who's closer to being an ATG Miguel Cotto or James Toney?

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  1. WildStyle

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    Cotto never beat anyone close to being as good as Michael Nunn
     
  2. Arcane

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    Mosley?
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    Arcane is a dumb mother****er
     
  4. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Mosley's a Hofer. I wouldn't class him as an ATG
     
  5. Arcane

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  6. Arcane

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    A lot of people do tend to though.
     
  7. general zod

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    Toney was a green contender when he beat a prime elite fighter, that has to be considered much better than Cotto's win over a past prime Mosley.
     
  8. bailey

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  9. general zod

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    The terms great and ATG are used too loosely these days.The guys I would consider to be modern greats are guys like Holyfield and Morales
     
  10. bailey

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    Well once again lets see you do your rating system with how you grade the fighters both have beaten.
    Do consider where the fighters were at the time you grade them rather than what they had been. Though I would add that you often suit your own agenda by saying fighter A was shot when he was beaten but fighter B was the same fighter when losing soon after losing to someone else.
    So once again, lets see your grading system again
     
  11. Arcane

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    But this is ESb and to save hurting peoples feelings you must say guys like Toney and Mosley are also ATG's, you wouldn't want to upset anyone now would you? (see PowerPuncher)
     
  12. bailey

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    I could agree with that though there has been some suspicions surrounding Holyfield in his career
     
  13. general zod

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    Beating a world class fighter is considered to be a great win.
    Corley is a journeyman who was 1-2 in his last three fights before facing Cotto. An arguement could be made that he was never the same after that brutal Mayweather beatdown.
    Margarito took a brutal beatdown in both of his fights against Mosley and Pacquaio. His official record since Cotto I is 1-3. He is done as a world class fighter

    He was bound to take Pacquaio the distance because he was clearly the much bigger man with a solid chin
    Beating a washed up fighter coming off a loss>>>>beating a undefeated cw to become a three division world champion?
    Toney
    wins:
    Class A: Nunn, McCallum I
    Class B+: Reggie Johnson, Jirov
    Class B: Holyfield

    losses:
    Griffin I(b), Griffin II(b+), Thadzi(b-), Jones(a)
    Mosley is nowhere near ATG status
    :lol::lol:
    Judah is a talented nutcase who didn't exactly wrap himself in glory during the Kosta, Mayweather, Clottey and Khan fights.
     
  14. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    :lol::lol:
    When I think of great fighters I tend to think of guys like SRR, Charles, Moore, Ali and the rest.

    Today everyone basically classes their fav fighters as ATG's
     
  15. general zod

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    Dear God please crash Boxrec.com