Who's fault is it that opkins vs Jones 2 didn't happen

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Cut the rest of your post out and just keep the highlighted part, and this is a great post. This is exactly why Jones is at fault. Fans were tired of Roy fighting no names and had even started a Roycott. I'm not even joking about this. Anyone who remembers watching Jones fight on HBO at this time knows about the Roycott. Yeah, he was p4p number 1 but no one wanted to watch him fight. Hopkins would've reperesented a legit challenge. As a result, the fans would've clamored to see the fight and it would've done big numbers.

    Because Roy needed a legit threat such as Hopkins, and because Hopkins reperesented the most legit threat for Roy at the time, the money should've been split 50/50. Nard had other options, Roy didn't. That's why Roy had to get roided up and fight a garbage HW in a gimmick fight in order to attract some viewers. Roy knew what type of struggle he would be in for had he fought Hopkins. He wiggled his way out of the fight with his unreasonable demands. Of course, every Roy hugger fell for that ****; hook, line, and sinker.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    The purse demands are all predicated on money, and who brings it in. Roy wasn't bringing in any dough on his own. He simply wasn't much of a draw. He needed a legit threat in order to sell his fights. Nard represented that threat. He would be equally responsible for the fight being a hit. As a result, the purse split should've been 50/50
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    50.50 is always a reasonable split when two top fighters meat. As has been pointed out, Jones was no more a superstar than Hopkins. As this months Ring comments, "he is just to strange".

    As I understand it there was no counter-offer. Jones wouldn't budge. You want to say the lion's share of the blame lies with Hopkins? I would say that was okay. But this idea that he was "100%" responsible is not sensible.

    Also, between 60.40 and 50.50 there is room for manuevere. A 50.50 split up front can be altered by changes to back end money splits over a certain %. And IMHO it was nothing to do with money - how much money do you need? - it was about Hopkins acknowedging that Jones was the big dog in the yard. You find it surprisng that Hopkins couldn't begin the encounter by acknowledging that? Hopkins?
     
  4. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What are all of these other hopkins options that you guys keep talking about. The DLH fight wasn't even remolty close to being on the horizon at the time. Hopkins went years without making the kind of money that RJJ had offered him in the 60/40 split and it took DLH in order to deliver that money. Roy on the other hand continued to fight for those kind of purses in his very next fight.

    He was more than willing to admit that against both DLH and Trinidad. Strange that he is willing to take career high yet smaller purses against guys he knows he can beat but not in his only chance at redemption
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Apollo Creed's fault.
     
  6. imp4pdabest

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    I'll just blame it on money
     
  7. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    It was Jones' fault at first...at the time of the Mosley-Marquez bout...with Shane demanding from 70-30 to 80-20...Bernard would have taken 60-40 no problem at the time.

    Later though, Jones was open to more reasonable terms...Bernard had moved on though and didn't care. I still would like to see this fight. Roy really prevents him from happening if he gets KOd by Joe C though.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    After Hopkins beat Tito, there was interest in this fight. Hopkins wanted more money to face Jones. I think Jones offered a 60-40 cut (generous for Hopkins considering), but Hops balked. Probably a good idea at the time.
     
  9. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins...

    Roy is the bigger name, he'd attract far more fans (imo)...hopkins deserved less $ in the split
     
  10. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Hopkins. He ****in lost in the first place he never did enough to command equal share. Never.
     
  11. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Neither one must of really wanted the fight that badly. All it came down to was who got what percent of the money, there was no real want from either fighter for this to happen, that's why it never happened. I imagine it would have been very, very difficult for either man to put aside their massive ego's, and this is mostly why the rematch never happened, and why the chances are that it will never happen.
     
  12. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    They're as bad as us...
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    I think B-Hop was about to say OK to 60-40 and specify a weight, but RJJ wouldn't let him talk at the end...and then threw down his mic and bailed.
     
  13. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Jones refused to fight Hopkins for years. Hopkins wanted that fight very badly, but Jones always ran away.
     
  14. mexican legend

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  15. Warfist

    Warfist Active Member Full Member

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    It's my fault. The winner knew they would have to eventually face me....I was ducked by both! :bbb