Who's fault was it that DLH/PBF sucked?

Yes, it is. When he takes chances, he doesn't look comfortable at all. When he isn't in the pocket, he isn't the same fighter. Hatton was even able to crack him a few times when he was trying to open up a bit, and was outside of his shell. Jesus Chavez, Castillo did as well and they weren't even trying to fight him in that manner. Zab actually knocked him down when Floyd was trying to mix it up a bit.... although it wasn't ruled a knockdown.

Look at how well Zab was able to pick Floyd apart when Floyd was fighting aggressive. Zab caught Floyd coming in SEVERAL times. As I said, the best way to beat Floyd is to force him to move forward and take chances. Of course EVERY fighter can't do that, and not every fighter can beat him even if he does move forward, but Oscar could.

 

It's debatable whether this version of Mayweather is better than that version of Whitaker. I had Whitaker winning the fight as well, but it was very very close. But that was not as good as DLH got at 147. By the time he fought Trinidad, he was in the midst of his prime.

Whitaker BTW, was never a great 147 fighter. Just a very good one. He was head and shoulders better at 135 than he was at 147. I think the same can be said for Mayweather at the lower weights.

 

#1. I think that you are wrong. And Sweat Pea and Mayweather aren't ths same fighter anyways, so it doesn't even matter.

#2. Sweat Pea lists his fight against Oscar as being one of the best performances that he ever put forth. He said that he was in great shape, and felt as great as he ever did in that fight. So, Sweat Pea himself disagrees with you.

#3. Oscar landed OVER DOUBLE the power punches against Whitaker than Sweat Pea landed.

 

He OWNED me? He wasn't even speaking to me and I never said Mayweather can't fight coming forward. Damn, talk about a reach. You can't be in an actual debate without looking for cool words and victory assertions to reassure yourself you're right can you...

 

He was not coming foward against Chavez or Castillo. So there goes that theory. Hatton barely landed any clean shots, and Floyd was rarely going foward in that fight as well

Rounds 2 and 4 were the only rounds were Zab had any sustained success. Most of Zab's success came from his great handspeed. The rest of the fight, Floyd was following him around the ring and beating the hell out of Judah. Check out the punchstats, Zab wasn't landing athything after round 4.

 

I never said that Floyd couldn't fight going forward either. He just isn't as great when he does that, as he is when people allow him to sit in his pocket and counterpunch. Of course, sometimes by the end of a fight he has his opponent worn down, and can start to move in on them and take them apart. He definitely gets hit more, and is much more vulnerable when he has to lead.

 

I think Mayweather is great at adjusting. He certainly can fight going forward, but if you're very good at that as well, I think he prefers you coming to him. He prays on your weakness, whatever it is, and exploits it. He is versatile enough to do that to nearly anyone.

 

You have your dumb assed opinion, I have mine.

 

I am talking about when Floyd opens up at all... not just going physically moving forward. When he is trying to make something happen. Watch those fights again, you will see what I mean.

I already explained that. Zab was hitting Floyd quite easily in the first 4 rounds when Floyd tried to be aggressive, and even dropped him when Floyd tried to open up. To deny that is completely ridiculous. Of course Zab breaks down throughout the fight like he always does, and at that time Floyd can come in and start picking him apart like he does to a lot of his opponents after they are broken down. I already said this. However Zab Judah is no Oscar De La Hoya. If Oscar decided to stick to the gameplan that I set forth, Floyd would be in for a long night, IMO.

 

Wow, you told me.

Your act only works on an audience. Grow up.

When you can challenge my opinion tactfully, we can continue. Or is that "too gay" for you?

 

says what compubox? you actally believe that?

and your second point doesnt matter because anyone could see that that version of sweet pea wasnt his best...he probably said that because of the circumstances..he was past it and wasnt the same fighter but he still manage to be competitive even though he wasnt the same fighter

 

Everyone is susceptable to being hit when they open up, that's a given.

Once again, Zab only had sustained success in rounds 2 and 4. Round 1 he had like one good hit, the same with round 3. No need to even go into rounds 5-12. Round 1 was the only round that Mayweather wasn't being aggressive. So if Mayweather being aggressive makes him so vulnerable, how come Judah only had success in 2 rounds? Furthermore, Oscar doesn't have the handspeed to counter Floyd like Judah did.

 

i don't agree that it sucked. the advertised it as a war, which all people wiht any knowledge of boxing knew it wouldn't be. both fighters never have been in real wars.

i liked the fight, it was fight with great skill and competiteveness. although i think that floyd clearly was the better man. not really waiting for the rematch. floyd should fight cotto