Who's greater all time? Bhop or RJJ?

Good to note.

Roy had plenty of skill, just fairly average defense. He's got no sophisticated avoidance maneuvers beyond the earmuffs once his reflexes left him. On offense, even slowed down, he's still pretty damn good.

 

So how highly do you rate a fighter who was only good enough to draw with a Segundo Mercado-level opponent?

 

You're right, I forgot it was the early '90s Hopkins that was chewing up world titleholders and future HOFers, while in the 2000s he was in semi-obscurity struggling to win vacant titles against mediocre contenders.

And as we all know, Hopkins was absolutely not considered any closer to his prime than Jones was to his at the time of their rematch.

 

Yes, he was damned good. But not prime yet. That fight was in 1993. His prime was from like 97 to 2003. Anyway, he was a good contender, at the time perhaps the best around outside of Jones, so it is a very good win. However, it is not a win over a prime atg.

PS: I don´t rate Hopkins win over Jones at all. Comparing Jones win over Hopkins and Hopkins´win over Jones is hilarious.

People say that since he beat Tarver .... :roll:

A fight that shouldn´t have been a draw.

That´s true. But the abilities that made Jones to Jones were gone while Hopkins still had most of the abilities that made him to Hopkins - experience, balance, ring intelligence.

 

And plenty of people think he's greater than Jones today. I dont. I didn't after Tarver. I thought about it after Pavlik. I thought about it harder after Pascal. Won't need to think about it after a hypothetical Dawson and/or Bute clinic. He'll just flat out have the better resume to me.

 

I think B-Hop looking so good on weekend was fact the Pascal was bad. Lets face it, he lost to Calzaghe and looked terrible in Jones rematch. But he's like fine wine and is in vintage form, i can see him breaking Moore's record if he chooses his fights right. I voted him over Jones, only because i never been a big RJJ fan.

 

Stop using boxrec, Hopkins dominated Mercado at altitude and got robbed, he was kd'ed by should have had a kd or 2 himself

Try using sarcasm all you want even though you clearly haven't watched much of 90s BHOPs. 28 is a man's prime, after that he's physically deteriating, Hopkins may have picked up a trick or 2 but that's vastly exagerated because if you watch him he was doing most of those things back then and a boxer can't change his style that much after 28. The fact is though he wouldn't lose again for 12years after this fight, just because he didn't get big fights after this 1 doesn't mean he wouldn't have won them if he did

 

Argueing that Hopkins was in his prime for the first Jones fight is as desperate as argueing that their second fight meant something.

 

Hopkins can beat the Pascals of the world till he's 80, but I'd still say Jones.

There's only so much mileage you can extract from beating "competent" fighters.

 

I suggest you look up the difference between 'physical prime' and 'peak of his powers', yes he was certainly 'prime', was he at the peak of his powers as a boxer? There's no evidence he wasn't, I concede he added more suttlety but in turn every man physically regresses after 30

I'm sure you'll ignore the above points, claim I'm biased, despite your reknowned Jones hate campaign and comparing the first fight to the second is another example of this

 

actually his worst ever , see the red parts for the reasons.
we know the story about the toney fight , when did chris watch the first hopkins fight for the last time ?
he looked quite beatable vs montell griffin and at least i know the story regarding their rematch.
he also had some clinchy shaky moments vs no other than ol stuffed vinny pazienza . he didn't beat ruiz , and neither did toney really.


and actually dlh was a former 130lbs (a title holder at that weight even) , not just a former 140lber.

i can only agree about jones being the better fighter , and actually their second fight just proved it at least for those who understand what they see.

 

:-(

 

He wasnt in his fighting prime, but he was certainly a top ten level fighter. Jones was an upright corpse in the second fight, and Hopkins still couldnt finish him.

 

Yes he was.. Hopkins was coming off of wins over Pavlik and Wright and a close loss to Calzahge going into the Jones fight. Jones was coming off a one round knockout loss to Green a one sided loss to Calzahge and hadnt won a meaningful fight in 7 years.