Who's greater? Duran or Mayweather Jr?

Across 25 rounds vs Edwin, Viruet won about six. I don't think that's a significant amount to use against him. That's just fighting a world class fighter twice, over 25 rounds. And TBH, I find that someone like Buchanan or Ishimatsu is the closest to Floyd (although no-one really resembles him). And Duran basically won every minute of those two.

BTW, I don't think it'd be some walk over, non-competitive beatdown. I think that Floyd's skillset and overall ability as a fighter means nobody can just walk over him. But I am confident that the styles favour Duran, and that overall Duran was a better fighter.

 

I have already explained to you why Floyd is greater than Duran as you invited me to do, but you have no respond/answer to my explanation. So, it meant that you accept it, didn't it? I know that your a big fan of Duran but don't try to make him to be the biggest hype in this boxing forum. I like Duran a lot, but he's not greater than Floyd. That's the truth. Mate

 

Sorry, I didn't see. I'll have a look in a minute.

And btw, Duran is nowhere near my favourites fighters list. I regard him as the best fighter ever, and I have written an entire article as to why. I've also explained why the styles should favour Duran too.

 

So would you rank Chayaphon Moonsri as the GOAT and Ricardo Lopez as #2?

I can appreciate someone giving an undefeated record a bit more credence than I do, but there has to be a line where you look at some of the circumstances.

Floyd was almost always the A-side, he had a decorated amateur career and always seemed to be the man coming out better when things got a little but suspect. Whereas Duran was a professional since a teenager with 116 fights across five decades. I also highly doubt that Floyd goes undefeated if he has to face prime verisons of Leonard, Hagler and Hearns. Hell, I wouldn't pick Floyd over Barkley, let alone Leonard.

 

I'd say the first fight was very close in both cases (close than the scorecards), but Castillo was the top guy in the division and 10 lbs (almost two weight classes) heavier in the ring than Floyd, who was moving up. Floyd also complained about injury already during the fight.

So I don't think it's more noteworthy that Floyd had problems with Castillo in their first fight than that Duran had problems with Viruet in their first.

 

Duran any time and any day.

 

Well, I had Duran winning a ten round fight clearer than I had Floyd winning a twelve round fight. Although I did have Floyd winning, I had Duran by three rounds, Floyd by one. Also, correct me if I'm wrong (I may be misremembering which fight this was), but Duran was coming on stronger and stronger late on, so over 12 or 15, it very may have been just as clear as the rematch.

I don't think 10lbs makes up for the immense difference in class between Castillo and Duran. And he didn't complain about an injury until later. I don't buy it, he looked exceptional in that fight, he just didn't like Castillo's style.

 

He complained about the injury during the fight: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Jose_Luis_Castillo_vs._Floyd_Mayweather_Jr._(1st_meeting)

And, yes, Duran was better than Castillo even not having Castillo's size advantage, but the difference in class between Floyd and Viruet was larger imo.

 

well of course thats not going to happen.
i wasn't suggesting floyd could emulate duran, just that people are too easy to heap pain on the man

 

Looking at their whole careers Duran had the better wins but was also a lot less consistent.

That inconsistency came after his prime, though, so I don't give too much weight to that part.

Looking at the first part of their careers they probably had about the same amount of wins against ranked opp and in title fights, but Floyd over more weight classes. Duran had far more wins all in all, though, and undoubtedly had the best single win. So had it stopped there, I'd have clear air between him and Floyd. I'd probably have him ahead of Floyd even if he'd stayed the whole fight against Leonard and lost a decision.

But quitting like that in such a fight that you're still very much in.... That gives the edge to Floyd for me.

 

Would Floyd No Mas?

 

for a lot of people thats heresy.
but if floyd doesnt have a resume to challenge past greats, then who does?

it's a different era now, and people are fooling themselves if they don't think that fighting in the current climate doesn't mean fighters compromise.

 

Floyd delivered, but some of his choices are frustrating. Winning his first WW title from Judah, for example, who only had kept it on a technicality. The catch weight with Canelo also puts a question mark on that win, not to mention the IV before Pac. But the guy almost only faced ranked opp for some 15 years and won titles from 130 to 154 in the process, without losing once. Even though I don't like the guy, I have to give him his due for that.

 

i dont disagree with you, but that's modern boxing.
i know that sounds like a cop-out, but if you're bigger than the federations then you can write your own ticket.

 

Unfortunately, yes.