Who's GREATER: Floyd Mayweather Jr or Ray Leonard?

Leonard and it's not close

 

Leonard.

 

Leonard and it's not close

 

Leonard and it's not close.

 

Not a big fan of either but Ray never ducked anyone.

 

No, but he was the original golden boy with a slew of suspicious wins and fight terms. I can't take the Benitez or Hearns wins from him, but I can take almost every other one

Floyd, despite being Floyd, fought at a top level for much longer and never had anything as dubious as the Lalonde fight, Hearns 'draw' and so on. Floyd had 2 close fights and 2 shitshows. Everything else was a schooling

I'm sure the Vintage Brigade(TM) who rank some 80-25-25 welterweight journeyman from the 1930s over Mayweather would disagree, but I don't really care. I would never put Floyd up there with the original Sugar Ray, but Leonard? Deffo. He's better

 

If you're talking about the greatest of the two, it's obviously Floyd by a long way

 

Definitely Ray

 

Ray and it shouldn't even be a question.

Please slap yourself for asking such a silly question.

 

Leonard was both greater and better.

 

Lots of people make mention of Mayweather referencing his 40+ undefeated fight streak as a reason for him being the better than SRL but I’m not buying it.

Boxing has many fighters who were undefeated for 40+ fights while arguably fighting better competition.

Felix Trinidad 40-0. The version of De La Hoya that Felix fought shites on any fighter on Floyd's CV. The version of Vargas Trinidad fought also shites on anyone on Floyd's CV.

Roy Jones was essentially 50-0. The version of Toney that Jones fought is better than anyone on Floyd's CV and the version of Hopkins that Jones fought is better than anyone on Floyd's CV.

Pernell Whitaker was essentially 42-0. The version of Chavez that Whitaker fought is better than anyone on Floyd's CV. Whitaker arguably beat a better version of De La Hoya and his win over Nelson might be better than any win Floyd has.

Julio Cesar Chavez was 87-0 with wins over Laporte, Rosario, Ramirez and Taylor.

Joe Calzaghe retired at 46-0. His win over Hopkins is better than any win on Floyd's CV and his win over Kessler is equal to any win on Floyd's CV except for Canelo and Castillo.

Ricardo Lopez ran his record to 47-0

Marco Antonio Barrera ran his record to 43-0 while defending the super bantamweight title 8 times.

Chris John ran his record to 42-0 with a win over Marquez being better than any win on Floyd CV (John fought Marquez at his natural weight).

Erik Morales ran his record to 41-0 with his win over Barrera being better than any win on Floyd's CV.

Larry Holmes Ran his record to 48-0

James Toney Was 44-0 before losing to Jones. His win over McCallum is a better than any win in Floyd's CV and his win over Michael Nunn is arguably at least equal to any win on Floyd's CV.

Now I'm not saying Floyd isn't a great fighter. I'm just pointing to the fact that referencing his undefeated record as evidence of him being the greatest doesn't make sense because boxing is littered with fighters whohave compiled 40+ undefeated records while fighting better fighters than Floyd has in some cases.

 

Nobody gives his undefeated streak as a reasoning for his greatness.

 

Not on this particular thread, no, but this forum is littered with examples of it.

 

I must have missed them.