Whos greater Mayweather or Canelo

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dance84, Dec 18, 2020.


Who is Greater

  1. Mayweather is Greater

    76.2%
  2. Canelo is Greater

    23.8%
  1. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    I know Canelos career is still in play... However. This is a debate of two people i know are having. One claims Mayweathers career is greater . The other claims Canelos career is greater. Both use the logic that both fought past prime opponents to discredit the others legacy.

    Mayweather and Canelo are both disliked in this forum. The majority of posters here think Mayweather and Canelo

    * use illegal drugs mayweather saline/ canelo clen

    * canelo and mayweather cherry pick old past prime fighters

    Canelo : Kovalev, Cotto, Mosely ,GGG

    Mayweather: Pacquaio, Delahoya, Mosely etc

    * both use catchweights

    Both were awarded close fights and posters feel they used their A-side power to bribe judges

    With that said ESB who is the greater fighter.
     
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  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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  3. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I went with Mayweather. He fought better opposition. 5 division champ, undefeated career and beat the man you are comparing him to.
     
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  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    You're right, can't forget Fury got popped for PED's too. He is in very good company.
     
  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Clenbuterol is manmade and doesn't form in the body naturally like nandrolone


    Fury shows no physical indicators like riod freaks, AJ, Holyfield, Canelo, Pre-retirement Marquez etc

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    endogenous NA is always a potential source of a false positive test. The fact UKAD sat on that "failed" test for 1.5 years tells you all you need to know...

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    muscle and fat content may be more proficient in the produc-
    tion of 19-norsteroid intermediates
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    in expression and activity in certain people, with increased
    activity of the aromatase enzyme producing larger amounts of
    oestrogen. This prompts the question of whether genetic
    upregulation of the aromatisation process in these people
    increases the production of 19-norsteroids
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    If Clenelo keeps winning he'll surpass Floyd soon and that will cause a cataclysmic albeit hilarious rift in the tectonic plates of all those fair-weather Clenelo fans who blow smoke up his ass but are really Team Mayweather.
     
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  7. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    See Canelo never had a Pretty Boy Floyd stage where he actually proved himself against legitimate and prime opponents who were elite. He was always the golden goose who got things his way. Miguel Vasquez, one of the most robbed fighters I've seen in recent memory, swears down that Canelo lost both of their fights and I'm inclined to believe him seeing as he was a debutant in his first bout against Canelo and got a weird split decision of 39-37 Miguel's way, then 39-27 and 40-37 Canelo's way. The guy has been getting gifts since the beginning.
    Money May also legitimately beat good versions of Hatton, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo himself and Maidana. I don't consider the Marquez win too highly tbh. He has two truly iffy decisions in Maidana 1 and Castillo 1 but they were both close and avenged convincingly.
    Canelo has gotten plain robberies against GGG, his fights against Lara and Trout were won by A side benefit of the doubt. His best clear enough victory was incredibly close in Jacobs. Just not what he's made out to be at all. Kovalev, Cotto and Mosely were not close to their primes when facing him, and neither was GGG even though he got beaten by him.
    I know my standards are perhaps unreasonably high but that's how it is as the top level.
     
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  8. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Didn't they fight once?
     
  9. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I thought Fury ate too much boar guts? That's what he said. That tells me all I need to know. Boar guts and Mexican beef.