Who's Greater: Roberto Duran or Muhammad Ali?

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Who's Greater?

  1. Roberto Duran

    28 vote(s)
    38.9%

  2. Muhammad Ali

    44 vote(s)
    61.1%
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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And Charles knew Burley, Burley didn't know Charles
     
    Bulldog24, Jun 14, 2020
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  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can’t argue that. But that’s still not as many as Ali. Tunney win was an excellent win
     
    Gazelle Punch, Jun 14, 2020
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No version of Burley would beat Charles. None. The only time Burley would win, is against the injured Charles vs Marshall. Charles in his debut would still beat Burley, and Charles in his actual prime would send Burley to the morgue.
     
    George Crowcroft, Jun 14, 2020
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  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charles trying to make 147 would be fun to see.
     
    Bulldog24, Jun 14, 2020
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    You talk like Burley weighed in at 147 often. He stayed there for less than 3 years, and even then was often above 150.
     
    George Crowcroft, Jun 14, 2020
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  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fought above his weight because nobody at welter would face him. He was too good
     
    Bulldog24, Jun 14, 2020
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  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just gave a few examples and let's be honest - Ali never beat as good boxer as Tunney, Loughran or Gibbons, he didn't beat as good swarmer as Walker either (sorry Joe).
     
    70sFan865, Jun 14, 2020
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  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, Burley over SRR or Charles doesn't make any sense to me either.
     
    70sFan865, Jun 14, 2020
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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure your thoughts on this matter place enough emphasis on Charles' superiority over Burley.
     
    Man_Machine, Jun 14, 2020
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  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    impossible to say
     
    William Walker, Jun 14, 2020
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Charles hadn't fought at middleweight in his last 15 fights. He was always a smidgeon above so to say he was boiling down to make middle is incorrect.

    Charles actually matured physically in the period during and after the war. He wasn't some light heavyweight starving himself to make middle prior.

    Charles was actually a vulnerable fighter when facing Burley comparative to what he became a full 4 years later.

    Moore too was not the fighter he was to become later on.
     
    JohnThomas1, Jun 14, 2020
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  12. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Duran.
     
    Xplosive, Jun 15, 2020
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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Bump.
     
    cross_trainer, Jun 12, 2022
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  14. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duran is the better overall fighter for sure, so many ways to win but, Ali has to be the greater fighter overall
     
    Mark Dunham, Jun 12, 2022
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  15. BCS8

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    Cant remember if I posted but I'm saying it now that Duran > Ali p4p and it's not particularly close. I feel that Duran's opposition was better p4p than Ali's as well, and that moving through the weightclasses he proved his quality. Heavyweight is rarely a 'good' division and the divisions that Duran fought in were much better, simply because there are more medium and small people in the world than huge ones.
     
    BCS8, Jun 12, 2022
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