Who's Greater: Roberto Duran or Muhammad Ali?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Jun 13, 2020.

Who's Greater?

  1. Muhammad Ali

  2. Roberto Duran

  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

    May 4, 2012
    Im fully aware of Duran's career and he is a great LW no doubt but you're forgetting the Black Murderer's row who never got a chance. Who are better.
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    I voted for Muhammad Ali. First, I think Duran's losses are way more harmful. Second, when I did my unnecessarily long top 100 at HW, Ali had beaten an astonishing number of men on that list. It's not always a fair reflection of quality (Archie Moore is a good example) but it was absolutely mad. His h2h record against other fighters in the top ten is 5-2 :lol: Absurd. For paper, there is nobody who really compares, apart from Harry Greb. Mad stuff. Meanwhile, his direct peers were Liston, Frazier and Foreman. Whatever the specifics, he looke in excess of them.

    It's close enough that I don't care to argue. Both made my atg p4p list and the last time I touched it up I had them I think 8 and 10. That's nothing, a hair's breadth, i got no beef with anyone calling it for Duran. But for me, yes, Ali.
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

    Jun 23, 2005
    My problem with Duran is everyone overhypes his successes but downplay and excuse his failures other fighters don't get this type of treatment. But for whatever reason Duran is the exception. Duran is an elite atg but he's not the GOAT.
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  4. autumn1976

    autumn1976 Member Full Member

    Jun 30, 2021
    Pushed Hagler to the brink of defeat? Have you actually watched the fight? Respect to RD for going the distance with a peak Hagler. All the same, he never looked like winning the bout. Fortunate for him that Hagler was in one of his strangely cautious moods.

    As an aside, can anyone imagine any version of RD lasting the distance with Monzon?
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  5. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 9, 2020
    No, actually, I haven't. I'll watch it in a little bit and do an RBR to see how close it was.
  6. quintonjacksonfan

    quintonjacksonfan Active Member Full Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Ali for me. He beat three top ten heavy weights of all-time. Duran went a combined 1-5 against the other fab four members and Benitez
    Ali resume is just better
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  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

    May 4, 2012
    Lol. Napoles would mess him up let alone Monzon. Duran vs Hopkins....lol
  8. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 22, 2011
    Now, that's funny, cause I am not wearing shoes at this time.
  9. miniq

    miniq Oleksandr Usyk Undisputed HW Champion Full Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Roberto Duran on Muhammad Ali's shoulders still couldn't beat Tyson Fury.
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

    Jan 6, 2007
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Sam Langford
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Roberto Duran

    6. Hank Armstrong
    7. Bob Fitzsimmons
    8. Willie Pep
    9. Joe Louis
    10. Ezzard Charles
    11. Roy Jones Junior
    12. Joe Gans
    13. Sugar Ray Leonard
    14. Floyd Mayweather
    15. Manny Pacquaio
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  11. autumn1976

    autumn1976 Member Full Member

    Jun 30, 2021
    Duran is far from my favourite fighter. Have to say, however, that your 'evaulation' of the fighter is terribly wrongheaded. He was never cowed by any of his opponents, he was a terror during his lightweight reign, and (even though I don't personally enjoy watching the fight) his performance against SRL in Montreal was one of the greatest of the past forty years. If you can't see this then you need to watch more of his fights. If you have watched plenty of his fights? I don't know what to say.

    You mention De Jesus. You're aware that RD stopped De Jesus twice, aren't you?

    'Cab drivers'? Oh dear.
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  12. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Momento mori Full Member

    Mar 5, 2012
    Duran did more for me I'm also Hispanic and bias
  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    You forgot to mention Laing. Duran lost to him in his early 30's. And he was only 31, I think, when Benitez easily beat him. Had a look of schooling at times. Benitez was very, very good, but you would have thought that Duran at least would make it competitive. Same with the Hearns loss. No shame for a former lhw to lose to Hearns, but he really got blown out of the water.

    Ali's defining wins were mainly his two first title wins, and they weren't very close. The wins against Norton were by no means defining. And a past prime Ali's struggles with prime Norton was given a bit of perspective when an ageing Norton gave a prime Holmes all he could handle.
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  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

    Jan 6, 2007
    Utter nonsense !

    Easily provable to be incorrect.
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  15. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

    May 4, 2012
    I'm aware. Dejesus was a shell and coked to the gills by that point though. RD shouldve stopped him the first time anyways but he shat that one too.