Who's higher ATG, Chavez sr. or Mike Tyson

Chavez by a fair margin I'd say.

 

Both these guys actually have quite a lot in common:

1. Both are ridiculously overrated by their fanboys, it's beyond a joke

2. Both feasted on beating up cab drivers and high school dropouts

3. Both lost and lost badly to the best fighters they fought

4. Both looked for excuses to get out of fights when being humiliated and losing like making a song and dance over a cut or biting an ear off.

I hate to say it, but i'd say Chavez was greater because he has more decent/good wins, better longevity and at least didn't get KTFO in his prime by one of the tomato cans he fought.

 

Saying Chavez "Lost and lost badly" to the best fighters he faced is just plain ignorant. From the time he began fighting at age 17 until the time of the Whitaker fight (at age 31) he never lost a single fight, and beat numerous champions. He destroyed Hall of famer Rosario (in Rosario's prime.) In the lower weight classes ,31 years of age may as well be 50 for most fighters. Especially one who hadn't lost in over 80 fights covering a 14 year span. It sounds like you have probably never even seen a fight of Chavez in his prime (which ended well before his fight with Pernell.)

But, ignorance and strong unfounded opinions have become the norm on this awful forum these days

To the topic at hand, both are all time great fighters. Based on longevity, Chavez should have the higher rating however.

 

I've seen plenty of Chavez's fights in his prime. Weren't Taylor, Whitaker and Oscar the best fighters Chavez fought and wasn't he beaten to a bloody pulp by the latter, utterly outclassed by the middle and being soundly beaten by the former until the referee handed him the fight with the BS stoppage?

 

Chavez was shot when he fought DLH. of course he looked bad against Pernell, who didn't? As for Taylor, he suffered a broken eye socket, broken ribs, badly busted up face, had a lot of blood pumped from his stomach, was pissing blood for weeks and was in hospital for almost 2 weeks following the fight. Doesn't sound like he soundly beaten to me.

 

The fact that you are claiming JCC was in his prime when he fought the guys you mention PROVES you haven't seen him in his prime.

 

Tyson is much better H2H but he's a huge what-if story. His accomplishment of winning the title at 20 is incredible, in such a dominating fashion, but can't make up for lost resume time.

 

both superb technicians.
Chavez holds records for most successful consecutive defenses of world titles (27), most title fights (37), most title-fight victories (31) and he is after Joe Louis (with 23) for most title defenses won by knockout (21). Chávez also has the longest undefeated streak in boxing history, 13 years with an incredible 90 fights unbeaten. he terrorized 3 weight divisions ive said before that if Chavez was American hed be rated up there with the peps and Robinsons. the losses mentioned were all well post prime. Chavez was rare in the modern era in that he liked to stay busy. so rather than box once a year against a name, Chavez was in action constantly and beat everyone out there. technically hes one of the most complete fighters ive ever seen.

Tyson was a phenomenon and one of the most skilled fighters to lace a glove.
Hes one of the most exciting fighters in history with a real seek and destroy mentality from the first bell. for someone who appreciates great skills, high excitement and stunning kayos he was an absolute godsend.
He was a real short fuse type athlete in that he burned as bright as a supernova, but for a relatively short time.
youngest heavyweight champ, with 9 title defences in his first reign. unified the titles and made 7 defences of the unified title.
tysons opposition is often called into question but berbick, smith, Thomas, tucker, biggs, holmes, tubbs, spinks, Bruno, and Williams were all credible challengers and much better than anything the current heavyweight champions have met, not to mention quite a few past ones. Tyson kayoed 8 of them inside 6 rounds and 5 of those inside 2 rounds.
He was special.

in terms of resume its hard to compete with chavez' who's clearly in front.
but its hard to overstate how much Tyson captured the public imagination in the 80's
Technically Tyson was outstanding and so was Chavez.
Chavez had such outstanding longevity but that's (mostly) not tysons fault.

Chavez deserves to be rated quite a lot higher than Tyson in my opinion.
Tyson was phenomenal but what Chavez did was incredible

 

Yeah. That was a really strange statement. And Julio didn't do that badly against Oscar either. (for a while at least.)