Whos is better? Ottkes 21 defences or Hopkins 20 defences?

Oh so you are saying Ottke's boxrec is better than Hopkins Boxrec

Not who unified the division, not who dominated the division, but who has a better boxrec, ok son.

You are not saying how dominating they were in their respective reigns, you are saying whose boxrec is better.

You are not talking about the ability, the skills the combination of defense and offense to win fights, but you are saying:- wait for it son.

BOXREC!!!!!!atsch!!!!!!

When Hopkins beat Johnson, he was undefeated and didnt lose 1 round to Johnson. Also he stopped him something which no one has been close to do ever since, even at his current state. Ottke on the other hand lost atleast 6 rounds. But you think Ottke UD Johnson was still more impressive than Hopkins TKO Johnson.

It goes both ways, Ottke won a title at LHW, Hopkins lost at LHW. Yet he beat Charles Brewer who started at MW, so how can you criticise Hopkins for beating up guys who were smaller than him and not criticise Ottke?

Are you saying Hopkins was weight drained for over 10 yearsatsch
You cant say he is a natural LHW, and then say he wasnt weight drained 15 or so pounds. Thats bull****.

Trinidad starting his career when he was 17 at WW, then 10 years later at 27 Hopkins knocks him out and you think he was still a natural WW 10 years later.

Listen, have you been 10 stone all your life, you grow older it is natural for you to climb up weight classes.

Trinidad and ODLH were kids when they were at WW and SFW.

So was a similar or same case for Brewer, Krajnc, Reid, Gatti, Johnson, Tate, Thornberry, Mundine, Butler, Ennebati, Branco. they moved up natural human thing.

Look man I am going to go and watch Prizefighter, while you can watch it on boxrec

 

SMW was not a REAL division back then besides who cares about Sven besides his family and friends? if you said JC and Bhop your argument might hold a bit of water but Sven . . . Sven who . . . Sven who cares

 

I think any dumbass can tell you that 21 is one higher than 20!

 

So basically this is what you are saying:-

Ottke has a better reign (IBF SMW) than Hopkins (IBF MW) because:-

1. Ottke beat less smaller fighters than Hopkins

But you are not taking into account.

1. Hopkins was more impressive in winning than Ottke was.
2. Hopkins became the #1 undisputed in his division and Ottke didnt.
3. Hopkins won every title including the Ring, and Ottke didnt.
4. Hopkins took more risks than Ottke
5. Hopkins was clearly the winner in all his wins, while Ottke wasnt.

All of that was also included in their reigns (IBF SMW or MW) but you only want to go by way of boxrec, not what you saw in their fights,

I judge by who was more dominant, and beat the better opposition. IMO Hopkins. I argued my debate throughout, and you couldnt handle it so you narrowed it down to boxrec only, even then your arguement dont hold ****.

 

funny thing is ottke would get ROCKED by trinidad at 160. this is a joke thread

 

the only joke about this thread is your repulsive vcash total

this thread has been a worthwhile debate that illustrated american ignorance at its finest. outta sight, outta mind springs to mind for the hbo puppetts and all there narrow minded ignorance :dead

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7934102&postcount=248 dont forget that son.

Please in the future make it clear in the opening post that you dont care about:-

1. Who was more dominant in their reigns.
2. Who was more dominant in the wins in their reigns
3. You dont care about who won the most belts

And that you only care about boxrec, that way it would be cleared and my single post would have been a simple and maybe a few digs here and there.

No one gives a **** about that man.

We watch boxing, judge from our eyes, we saw Hopkins dominate his opposition, and we saw Ottke get dominated by his opposition. Watch the fights lay of the boxrec son. That is why you are complaining that:

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Like everyone else on this thread:
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7934102&postcount=248

Everyone watches Boxing by watching two men and a refree in a square ring with gloves at a chosen weight try and win by throwing fists and using technique and ability. But you already dismissed later on in the thread ability and skill, since if you include that you know BHop pwns ottke in that department.

I disagree:-

1. Hopkins fought more future, present, and former champions. (Overall higher quality of world class opponents)
2. Hopkins cleared out the division, therefore had to beat the rest something Ottke never did.
3. Hopkins fought the best in his division, Ottke never.

But when I say this you reply with the weight issues. When I mention that Ottke who held titles at LHW even during his amatuer run, and beat a good amount of people who used to be MW and below you ignore that.

I think Trinidad would beat Eastman, Trinidad outboxed then KTFO Joppy, and Joppy and Eastman had a solid fight. Trinidad and Eastman are the same height, and Trinidad was never weak at MW he was just up against BHop who was a master at exploited weaknesses. I never rated ODLH at MW, and Eastman would be too big for him so I would think Eastman, however ODLH has the ability to hit and move to a tight UD no one can deny that. He did win rounds against Sturm and Hopkins who are better than Eastman.

Do you think beating 10 and 0 Mundine is a better win than Oscar? or Trinidad.

Or Silvio Branco who held a world title for 1 fight and lost it in his 1st defense is better than ODLH?

And Hopkins TKO Johnson is way better than Ottke UD Johnson, just admit that.

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This is what I always understood to be your arguement since the begining of the thread.

Ottke's 21 fights where he defended his IBF SMW title is more impressive than Hopkins 20 fights where he defended his IBF MW title. And I always disagree just like all those people diagreed see post 248.

You wasnt using words "reign resume" at the begining of the thread when everyone was saying Hopkins is better. But later on pwnages left you to try and narrow it down since you know deep down inside, Hopkins 20 defenses were more legitimate than Ottke's 21 defenses.

 

Hopkins and it is not close.

 

I originally thought you were a troll, but no troll has ever been this dedicated to their craft than you of Eurobum nut-hugging.

Also, Hopkins pisses all over Ottke's entire career. no matter how you slice it. Hopkins struggled against Roy Jones, Ottke struggled against Robin Reid. /thread.

 

Eurobum... What's your Language Son..

the Eurobums are making your boys our Bitches today..