Who's legacy is greater ODLH or PBF?

This is how big of a ****** hypocrite you are.

You list Camacho who Oscar fought at 147. Yet you call out Floyd for fighting Hatton and JMM.


A shot to pieces Camacho at that.


Then you list 2 losses, a shot JCC, and a crack addicted Whitaker. And if you say he got shafted in the MOsley 2 and Trinidad fights, well I can say he was damn lucky to get a decision against B level Quartey and a crack head Sweet Pea.


Then you name Jorge Paez. Oh whoopty ****ing doo. Im sure Jorge Paez is a greater victory then the bunch of other B level Mexican champions Floyd beat aswell.


Your arguments a joke.

 

Floyd. It's clear reading this thread that some people can't separate personal sentimental feelings from facts. "Oscar fought everyone, so we should give him credit even for the fights he lost." No, losing fights is not a legitimate argument to put Oscar over Floyd.

 

No dude you are wrong. Hector Camacho puts DLH over the top. A fat coke head Camacho.


No way could Floyd ever step up to the plate and fight a guy like that.

 

The point is that Oscar has big wins and he took extremely tough fights, some of which he got jobbed in (like against Tito). Floyd on the other hand protects that zero more than anything rather than facing the best at this point.

 

So does Floyd.

So did Floyd.

YOu mean some of which he got gifts, Whitaker, Quartey, Sturm.

Yeah its why he's fought 3 straight fighters in the top 10 P4P.

 

Cherrypicked everything after LW. Convince me otherwise. Tell me what great fighter, in his prime and his natural weight class, he fought at 140 and above. I'm open to being educated.

 

De La Hoya fought better people, was more exciting and a bigger draw. I don't think PBF has any wins against prime competition past 135 that stack up to ODLH's over Quartey or Vargas or Trinidad or Sturm. He fought better people, beat better people and didn't wait for them to be old. Even his win over Whitaker was a solid win. Even under 135, I think his resume is stellar but not overly impressive.

ODLH easily did more, had better wins, fought better people, was more entertaining and drew more.

 

One way of looking at this argument. Since they both fought in relatively the same weight classes. Oscar having the bigger build able to go up a couple of extra weights, the last one not being very good for him. So anyway, how would Oscar have dealt with Floyd's comp and how would Floyd have dealt with Oscar's?

Of the two Oscar would be undefeated with Floyd's comp with the bigger ko rate in early rounds.

Floyd would have two to three losses.

They're both equally great imo, but I choose Oscar for his leaving nothing to the imagination. We saw his greatness and his limitations. He spread himself very thinly. And let's remember, even faded DLH had his last two losses to the two respective p4p #1 fighters today. The man was truly great because he dared to be.

 

He's a ten time world champion. No amount of singling out specific losses changes that. And if it's such an everyday thing to be 10x world champ then why ain't Floyd one?:think

 

Floyd got a scare in the first Castillo fight. He took one more tough fight, to rematch Castillo because he had to. He hasn't fought a young, prime fighter his own size since JLC II nine years ago, unless you want to count Zab Judah. He might as well have retired in 2002.

 

What great fighter could he have fought? Their is only one that is great and that fight can still happen.

 

Floyd only cares about WBC belts. If he wanted to be a 10 time champ he would have taken Mosley's belt. What is De La Hoya's record in title fights?

 

I give the edge to Floyd, Oscar lost alot of his signature fights.

I'm noticing alot of posts that favor Oscar despite losing some of his big fights becuase Floyd was ducking fighters?

Who exactly did Floyd Mayweather Jr. duck?

He tried to get a fight with Mosley in 1999 and 2006. Shane declined twice.

He tried to get a fight with Kotsya Tszyu in 2005 but Tszyu's camp decided to
go with Hatton with the winner facing Mayweather.

He tried to get a fight with Cotto in 2005, Cotto's camp said they weren't ready. Incidentally both Cotto and Hatton were ringside when Floyd destroyed Gatti and neither of them were looking to step in the ring with Floyd.

He tried to get a fight with Winky Wright and Winky priced himself out.

He was on board to fight with Margarito but a multi-fight deal was attached to it. He was willing to accept it if Bob Arum would meet his guarantees.

He was going to take $8 million for Magarito
He wanted $10 million for Cotto
He wanted $10 million for Hatton
and lastly he wanted $20 million for De la Hoya

Arum countered and told him he'd get $7 million for Hatton and $6 million for Cotto and he would not be interested in putting together a De la Hoya fight. So Floyd did what he felt was in his financial best interest; he bought out his contract during the open window period for $750K.

He ends up fighting Baldomir for $8,000,001.00
Then he fights De la Hoya for $25 million
The fights Hatton for $18 million

This of course came at the expense of not getting shots at Top Rank fighters which include Cotto, Clottey and Margarito.

By the time Mosley wanted the fight it was Floyd who had the upper hand in the negotiating table. He played hard ball with him knowing that he if takes another lucrative option he'll increase his leverage when he negotiate the fight. So, he decided to fight JMM for $10 million.

Pacquiao will happen.

So who was he ducking?

Paul Williams?
After all; Mosley, Pacquiao, Cotto, De la Hoya didn't fight him. They don't seem to get the blame.

 

I truly believe that had Oscar gotten in the ring with Forrest and Winky and took those losses his persona and career would've been destroyed. Very smart businessman.