Who's legacy is greater ODLH or PBF?

if you duck and quack more then your suck

 

So do I. And I notice that Pacquiao got schooled the same way he got schooled against Marquez the 1st time in the 2nd fight. The only reason he won was because Marquez traded and Pacquiao's physical gifts.

We know you are biased against Floyd. You say Floyd is 1-1 against Castillo? I mean really? Oh and Floyd has improved technically since he was 24 and physically in the way of strength. I did not say he hasnt lost some speed and foot movement. However I do believe he is a more complete fighter then then now. I explained that by the wya he took more punches then. And was more likely to be bullied by bigger fighters. Nothing more need be said on the subject. No point in trying to convince someone whos already made up their mind.

Mosley threw more punches in the last 4 rounds I believe then the 1st 4. He was swinging for the fences in the 12th. The old and tired argument really doesnt work. As I said, Mosley has always looked crap against fighters that give him angles and are hard to time and hit. Even in his prime.

Floyd's physical gifts being faster and just outright physically superior to all his opponents at 24 does not mean he was the complete fighter he is today. I dont know why you are struggling with this. Its a pretty simple concept.

Why?

Unless this is manny steward or freddie roach on the other side of this discussion I'll give that a no.

Then you are mistaken. His physical prime is around the Gatti fight. Where he hasd the perfect blend of speed and physicality. At 130 he could still be bullied around the ring by a fighter like Jesus Chavez and at 135 by Castillo. You are associating physical prime with dominance, and thats wrong.

Floyd has destroyed many a can. It was the speed, in and out movement to which he did it which sways mine and many others opinion.

Best weight does not mean best ability. AGain you are struggling with this simple concept.

With the decreased foot speed, he's also added strength and better technique and defense. A great trade. Again I find myself repeating myself and you just cant grasp it.

Are you serious? Have you seen this fight? Floyd fought Chavez because Chavez was relentless he cut off the ring great and wouldnt let Floyd breath. No different from the Castillo fight. If Floyd could have boxed his way to a safe decision he would have. You're being silly now. Making things up.

His punching power hasnt decreased. He's fighting bigger fighters.

Uhh if he's fighting an ATG in JMM? Yeah. I mean you do know this isnt any smaller lighter dude dont you lol? JMM landed more on Floyd then Mosley. :nut

You're point is not only misleading it is blatantly false. First of all Corrales and Hernandez corners through in the towel. Not because Floyd was going to KO any of them. But because they had no chance in the fight. Hernandez could have continued to the bell. And Corrales as well. So its not a question of his power, merely accumulation. The only fighter he categorically stopped(he didnt even KO Augustus, agian corner through in the towel, same with Chavez) was MAnfredy.

You want others to believe Floyd was banging these guys out, when in reality the fast majority of his stoppages at 130 was the other guys corner conceding defeat, not that he was beating these guys into a senseless state.

Utter nonsense. This is a typical response from most who are biased against Floyd.

I feel many fighters throughout history beat Floyd. I feel that there are about 2 fighters in the world today that have a 40-50% shot of beating Floyd. Its not my fault if you underrate the man. Im not going to. I dont underate or overate anyone. I seek to be fair to they're abilities. YOu say 2 fighters who historically struggled with boxers are going to beat the best boxer of this era. Sorry you are just wrong on the subject and should accept it.

Again you merely prove my point with your bias.

Didnt you score round 3 for Castillo? Ultimate example of bias.

 

i picked dlh because of his magnitude in and out of boxing

but i can see ur only interested in floyd bashing

 

DLH, Floyd needs a few more good wins

 

If we give DLH the fights he got jobbed in. We must also acknowledge the fights he got a gift in. Sweet Pea. Quartey. Sturm. 3 fighters, one shot, 2 B level. Much much damaging to his legacy then beating 2 come forward pressure fighters. Floyd could have outboxed even easier. :yep

He outjabbed Oscar easily in their fight. The only reason Oscars jab even competes with Floyd is because he is a southpaw turned orthodox. His dominant hand is out front. Still Floyd's jab is elite and that merely that ever other punch in Floyds arsenal is even better.

Floyd has vastly superior speed, about as dominant a jab, far superior right hand, far superior footwork, far superior defense, far better stamina, far better adaptability, better infighter, better off the back foot.

The only thing Oscar has over Floyd is KO power and size. When you put it to me like that, its even more clear that Floyd is the superior fighter. You better stick with resume because then atleast you have an argument.

Yes. In the Morales fight he used his right. In the fight against Marquez the rematch he used his right hand. Didnt matter got schooled in the art of boxing. He's fighting inferior fighters since then. Do you deny this? Nobody else does.

Pacquiao was visibily battered agianst Marquez. Look at Floyds face after the first Castillo fight then look at Pacquiaos face? And how did he get outfought by DLH? He won a clear decison. atsch

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Cotto is the only fighter that could not be classified as a plodder Pac has fought since Marquez 2. And its not like Cotto is some elite boxer.

Pacquiao fought a severly drained and shot Morales the 2nd and 3rd times. Meaningless fight. Morales was dominated by Zahir Raheem just previous, had trouble making weight and wasnt nearly the fighter he was. He was faded even in the original.

As for Marquez, he did even worse the second time in my opinion then the first. The first fight I think there is a case for hm winning a comfortable decision. In the 2nd fight he was 1 knockdown and 1 round away from Marquez winning a comfortable decision.

The right hand was not a factor considering he did worse in the 2nd fight.

23 actually calm down.

AGain you are making a point of nothing. When did I say Tito and Mosley lose to any old boxer? We are talking about the elite of this era in Mayweather. However given they both struggled with lesser boxers then Floyd in their careers, its clear that FLoyd would win. sorry its just a logical conclusion.

Forrest beign bigger then Mosley had nothing to do with them winning. Oh and Mayweather has a great jab. And this Mayweather is a big welter.

Yes because Floyd was undersized at the time. NEver said anything different.

He shrugged off Mosley easier then he did Hatton actually.

IF he caught Floyd he'd have a better chance of putting it away. But except for improved speed and stamina, that version of Mosley was in no way anymore technical astute then this one. Mayweather would figure him out the same way and beat him.


Hmm you seem to struggle with the concept of technique and adaptability aswell.

If Oscars jab was nuetralized. Quarteys would be aswell. Quartey was not as big or physically imposing as Oscar either. Nor would Floyd be basically a fighter 2 fights removed from 140 fighting at 154. This is a welterweight bout, Floyd's footwork would be peak and he'd win a comfortable decision agianst a limited fighter.

Never said any different. Only that I dont think a 1997 Pea beats him and a prime Pea would not walk over him. Which is silly thing to say about an elite fighter like Floyd.

Bias again.

He'd beat Tito, Mosley, Quartey, struggle 50/50 against Pacquiao. And lose a competitive decision to Hopkins.