whos legacy is greater RJJ or Hopkins??

Hopkins. There really shouldn't be any question after this fight. And look how he has managed to fight at a high level at a more advanced age, while Jones has basically been a shaky-chinned shadow of his former self for the last several years.

 

In my opinion, Roy Jones should have a better legacy and be regarded as the better fighter. But his two back to back knockout losses have assured him that his overall legacy will not be as good as Hopkins', even though as far as I'm concerned, it was towards the tail end of his career and shouldn't matter as much.
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That's actually a tough call right now. Assuming Calzaghe beats Kessler by a wide margin as I expect him to, I'd favor Joe. However, if he looks less than stellar in that fight, or loses (which I highly doubt), then I'd favor Hopkins probably.

 

Jones....Come on, beating a man jumping 2 weight classes when he was small as a MW to begin with doesn't give him much more credit, no matter how good Wright is.

BTW, Hopkins is NOT Lineal at 175...just Ring champ.

 

So...McBride has Tyson on his resume....that rationale is ridiculous.

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Id have to give the nod to Hopkins now. He has more big names on it. He did it at a high level for a longer time....and stayed dominant throughout.

Also, unlike Roy, when his skills that made him a great fighter started to fade (power, output, etc.....) he totally reinvented himself and actually became better than what he was previously.

Plus, Roy still seems content to keep going...which leaves the door open for him to lose again....which will further drop him below Bernard.

 

All of Hopkins great wins are against naturally smaller men except Tarver. Hopkins also fought in an even weaker MW division than the LHW division Jones fought in. It's funny how no one ever mentions this.

 

Roy Jones, Jr.

 

Roy.

Scaled more weight classes. Beat a prime #1 P4P fighter. Fought more previous, current, and future champs. Most importantly: Beat hopkins.

 

Like whom? Glen Johnson? That's about it....that MW era was very weak, and Hopkins missed all the great fighters that Jones supposedly ducked, even though Hopkins is never accused of the same thing even though it was the same era. Hopkins is judged by a different standard than Jones.

 

Over smaller men, and that has to be accounted for. Glen Johnson is an above average fighter who is only a name now because he beat a past his prime Jones. He has done nothing else besides this, losing to men that Jones beat easily.

When Hopkins fought Jones it was close and Jones was getting it handed to him in some rounds? What? It was 8 rounds to 4 and Jones was winning easily till he noticably hurt his hand.

 

No, Jones is on record and so is HBO that Jones moved up only AFTER being turned down by these great fighters he supposedly ducked. Eubank is on record as saying he refused to fight Jones because Jones would beat him. Benn turned down the fight after beating McClellan. Liles refused an offer as well...

Fact of the matter is Hopkins fought in a very weak MW era. It has always been considered weak, and 3 of his 4 big wins were over men smaller than he was, at least 2 by a signifigant amount.

 

I saw him in his prime. I HAVE the Hopkins-Johnson fight. He is no king. Why don't you point out all the great fighters that Johnson beat BEFORE his fight with Hopkins. Yah he was unbeaten...but he had beaten no one ranked in the top 10.

 

Roy Jones, he beat the better fighters, and his achievements stand out in history, until the end of time.