whos legacy is greater RJJ or Hopkins??

It not BS. Look at Jones' record and the people he fought. Most of the were one dimensional no hopers. He rarely fought guys who could beat him and you know that. I never said he wasn't a skilled fighter. I just said that he never became a ring general. He rarely fought guys who could box or crowd him, so he has a hard time dealing with these type of guys now that his skills are eroding. Father Time has also caught up with B-Hop, but he is a great fighter who knows how to fight and make up for his diminishing skills with craftiness. Jones can't do that because he is not a crafty fighter.
Also, Judah has fought the best at his weight class and has shown the hear of a lion, so you can't compare him and Jones.

 

Roy Jones still.

 

Here we go with the "Roy only fought bums" BS so I Guess Hill, Tarver, Johnson, Hopkins, Toney, Panzienza, McCallum, Griffin, Hall, Tarver, Gonzales, Woods, and Ruiz and all the the ranked top 10 fighters he beat were all bums and no hopers, what a load of Crap.

 

I am not being hard on Bernard. I am putting him in perspective of what he has ACTUALLY done, just as many of us are forced to do with any great fighter who gets immediately overrated on this board when he wins. Jones himself gets overrated and we have to put him in perspective, like when he is called the greatest LHW of all time, when he is just inside the top 10 on most people's lists.

Being objective means being objective. Bernard was no more or less dominant than Jones was over his weak LHW era as well. And yes, Jones moved up because the only challenges left at 160 and 168 were not looking to fight him. Hopkins stayed down instead of looking to do the same. If anyone is going to be penalized in that equation, it will be Hopkins, not Jones...

 

Half of what you said you just made up.

Hopkins had an amateur career prior to jail....99 fights I believe.

Went against all odds? Against whom? He lost his first fight at 175, moved down to 160, fought the same average fighters for years and got big name recognition off of beating Trinidad, an ATG who was not a great fighter at that weight class.

He HAS been KD, 2 times I believe.
Who cares if he has never been beaten by a southpaw.
And I assume most great fighters come with gameplans. When they fight other great fighters, one of them has to lose.
And he can't fight ANY fighter and come out on top...or are we ignoring that Jones beat him and Taylor beat him....2x no matter how debatable.

 

RJJ was on top for over 10 years or did you forget?

 

I never said RJJ fought bums, I said he fought guys he could beat. But I can tell you that Pazienza was never an elite fighter, Griffin was never expected to win, Tarver was always an afterthought. Hall and Gonzales are one dimensional. We all know about Ruiz. Woods just wasn't ready at the time, just like Hopkins wasn't.

If I saw fighters like Steve Collins, Benn, Eubank, McClellan, or an in-his-prime McCallum, then RJJ would have an unquestioned legacy.

Jones wouldn't fight guys like Michael Nunn or even Franky Liles because they were tall and good boxers.

Man, why don't you just admit that Jones ducked a lot of fighters becasue he wanted to handpick a bunch of no hope ham-n-eggers like Rich Hall and old Otis Grant.

 

Because what you are spewing is pure and total BS First of all RJJ beat a prime James Toney who was undefeated with 44 wins and was the P4P king and I am sure he may have been the favored to win secondly Liles and Nunn were no better than Griffen or some of the contenders RJJ beat and both had already got thier asses handed to them and KTFO by Toney who was completely outclassed against RJJ so why would he fear them when he destroyed thier daddy? You say Bhops wasn't ready but that is nothing but a lame excuse as he was older and had more pro fights as for Woods he was also ready but RJJ was just to good and stopped him, you're very biased and seem to overate what Bhops does while completely disregarding and underrating what Roy did.