Who's more skilled Beterbiev or Golovkin?

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  1. Bustajay

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    I said 24 rounds
     
  2. The Akbar One

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    Golovkin
     
  3. Serge

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    Beterbiev is a finisher


    John Scully: Right! Beterbiev’s mentality is destruction! He wants you dead and will do anything to make that happen. What everyone must realize is that Beterbiev is a technical fighter. I’ve heard some say that Beterbiev is just a big puncher and that he can’t box. These guys are not paying attention! If a fighter doesn’t have the obvious skills like Roy Jones Jr, like anyone can see him and within seconds say wow he’s really good, then you must know what to look at. Those who claim that Beterbiev is a just a puncher are complete idiots. They simply don’t know what they are seeing. Beterbiev is very technical, very calculated but again his desire for you to be unconscious overrules a lot of stuff. His positioning, his power and his pressure are masterful. He’s very sharp in that ring.

    IM: Interesting that you mention those things because I get the feeling that Browne is also thinking that Beterbiev is just a puncher.

    JS: Listen, it’s either one or two things and that’s why I don’t pay attention to fighters before a fight. Fighters sometimes say stupid things, sometimes they say things just to throw their opponents off and sometimes they say things just out of their emotions. Browne might be just trying to gas himself up or maybe he has guys at the gym telling him Beterbiev has no skills. A lot of guys do that sort of stuff whether it be a trainer or simply friends. These guys are foolish, always trying to talk down the opponent. There are guys at press conferences that always talk about the negative things about their opponent. I am different. I ask myself what does beating that guy mean? What if you beat this guy? You just talked hours how terrible this opponent is therefore you beating him means nothing. Nobody is going to give you credit for beating someone who you just spent hours trying to convince everyone that he is not that good. Browne is a good fighter but I believe his weaknesses plays to Beterbiev’s strengths. You cannot have a questionable chin and expect to fight Beterbiev toe to toe. Plenty of sparring partners have said they thought Beterbiev was just a puncher, a bruiser. After one sparring session, they all say Beterbiev is a smart fighter. Beterbiev’s positioning, thoughts and counters… he’s very intelligent. Many don’t understand what to look. Beterbiev didn’t become a two-time Olympian, world amateur champion, European champion and WBC/IBF champion by just being a puncher. That’s wishful thinking, I think there’s lots of guys telling Browne things in order to give him confidence. If I was training Browne, I would say look man, this guy hits like the devil! I am not going to tell you that Beterbiev is not that good because the truth always come out! You can tell me that one guy has no head movement yet within seconds I am going to find out that you were lying to me. What did that do for me? Nothing, it made me not prepare. If I was training Browne he would know what he’s going to face, he wouldn’t be telling everyone that Beterbiev is just a puncher.

    IM: Well it’s like many of us say it’s different on the inside!

    JS: Of course! It’s like I just said those who have sparred Beterbiev come out say they had no idea! They had to be inside that ring to see up close what Beterbiev does.


    IM: Interesting that you mention those things because I get the feeling that Browne is also thinking that Beterbiev is just a puncher.

    JS: Listen, it’s either one or two things and that’s why I don’t pay attention to fighters before a fight. Fighters sometimes say stupid things, sometimes they say things just to throw their opponents off and sometimes they say things just out of their emotions. Browne might be just trying to gas himself up or maybe he has guys at the gym telling him Beterbiev has no skills. A lot of guys do that sort of stuff whether it be a trainer or simply friends. These guys are foolish, always trying to talk down the opponent. There are guys at press conferences that always talk about the negative things about their opponent. I am different. I ask myself what does beating that guy mean? What if you beat this guy? You just talked hours how terrible this opponent is therefore you beating him means nothing. Nobody is going to give you credit for beating someone who you just spent hours trying to convince everyone that he is not that good. Browne is a good fighter but I believe his weaknesses plays to Beterbiev’s strengths. You cannot have a questionable chin and expect to fight Beterbiev toe to toe. Plenty of sparring partners have said they thought Beterbiev was just a puncher, a bruiser. After one sparring session, they all say Beterbiev is a smart fighter. Beterbiev’s positioning, thoughts and counters… he’s very intelligent. Many don’t understand what to look. Beterbiev didn’t become a two-time Olympian, world amateur champion, European champion and WBC/IBF champion by just being a puncher. That’s wishful thinking, I think there’s lots of guys telling Browne things in order to give him confidence. If I was training Browne, I would say look man, this guy hits like the devil! I am not going to tell you that Beterbiev is not that good because the truth always come out! You can tell me that one guy has no head movement yet within seconds I am going to find out that you were lying to me. What did that do for me? Nothing, it made me not prepare. If I was training Browne he would know what he’s going to face, he wouldn’t be telling everyone that Beterbiev is just a puncher.

    IM: Well it’s like many of us say it’s different on the inside!

    JS: Of course! It’s like I just said those who have sparred Beterbiev come out say they had no idea! They had to be inside that ring to see up close what Beterbiev does.

    So what’s your prediction?

    JS: I can picture and I am only guessing that Beterbiev comes out taking his time with Browne’s speed. Sooner or later no matter how good Browne can move, there will come a time when Beterbiev’s pressure will manifest itself. Browne is going to feel that pressure! It’s like being in a pressure cooker, in a vice grip just squeezing as rounds go by with Browne feeling Beterbiev’s punches. Most guys are worried about getting hit on their chin or maybe their body but definitely don’t want to get hit on their chin. Beterbiev can hit you on your arm or shoulder anywhere and you will feel something unnatural. There’s something super human crashing into you! Your thinking if those punches land on my head what will happen! It’s like when Julian Jackson was fighting there were lots of things that his opponents had to worry about. There were a lot of things to think about even if you were a great boxer for example Herol Graham was boxing the perfect fight against Jackson. Then all of a sudden, a lightning bolt came out of nowhere and just like that that fight was over! Graham had to fight the perfect against Jackson, he didn’t do it, he slipped up! Beterbiev is there every second of every round. When Beterbiev won those titles, it was the last round and I said to the guy next to me wouldn’t it be crazy if Beterbiev knocks this guy out in this round. A minute later that fight was over. Beterbiev was way ahead in that fight that all he had to do was win by decision. Beterbiev had won 10 rounds if not 11 rounds yet he kept thinking knockout every single round.

    It’s not just his power! It’s his mentality. This is a guy who is single minded, he’s focused. His end game is for his opponents to be unconscious. That’s it and Beterbiev wants that so bad. You have to have that physiological that emotional strength to go 12 rounds every 3 minutes of each round. You have to have it in that dressing room before that fight. You have to have it walking to that ring, in that center of that ring. You have to have it in between rounds! That’s a lot of pressure for an opponent to deal with.

    IM: Do you think maybe this is why Beterbiev is the boogeyman at 175 pounds?

    JS: Well I mean he’s proven, his reputation, he goes anywhere and he’s known as the guy who’s knocked every one of his opponents out. It’s not a fluke! Gvozdyk was an elite fighter who Beterbiev broke down. Gvozdyk retired and never fought again. As an amateur, Beterbiev was knocking guys out, too. It’s not a new thing, it’s not because there is no head gear, Beterbiev was knocking guys out with head gear! In order to deal with Beterbiev, let me just say it’s easier said than done.

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  4. MagicE

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    GGG much better defensively

    GGG might be more willing to take one to land one but his footwork and head movement much better
     
  5. 22JM

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    Ggg easliy, that's one of the reasons Canelo will have a easy night against Beterbiev
     
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  6. Betyabeatyaup

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    People actually think this? Beterbiev is clearly more technical and more skilled than GGG. Canelo will have an easy night with Beterbiev? Beterbiev is the toughest fight for Canelo in any weight division. Canelo is a potential GOAT but I give him almost no chance of beating Beterbiev.
     
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  7. 22JM

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    Style makes fights Canelo will treat Beterbiev like a piñata in a cinco de mayo party
     
  8. Betyabeatyaup

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    Beterbiev is similar but better defensively, he partially take shots and he will parry shots to get his in. GGG mostly just eats flush punches. GGG also stops punching and just takes punches at times, you’ll never see Beterbiev do that. Every second he is looking to land, every second he is balanced and pressing forwards. GGG is a poor man’s Beterbiev.
     
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  9. Betyabeatyaup

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    Styles make fights absolutely. The style to beat Beterbiev is long and always moving, a pure outboxer who doesn’t lose focus. Canelo wants to fight, and Beterbiev will monster him in a fight. You can’t be in an even one with GGG and then expect to beat the bigger, stronger, superior version. I’m a fan of Canelo, I’d seriously worry for his wellbeing and his career in that fight.
     
  10. bowlingkid09

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    I am one of those who thinks Beterbiev has underrated skills and defense but there is no way he is better technically nor defensively than GGG. GGG does have defensive lapses once in a while but he rolls and deflects punch quite well. He is also great at parrying jabs.

    He outjabbed Canelo twice and even landed the cleaner punches in the championship rounds of the rematch.
     
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  11. Serge

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    Clen didn't want that smoke with either until he saw the signs of ageing and decline he thrives on. He had a state of the art Kazakhstani-proof electrified chicken coop built to hide out in from a closer to prime GGG and he even created his own weight division in order to continue the duck and he wouldn't dare pop his massive Clenbuterol melon out of it until he saw the signs of ageing and decline he'd been patiently biding his time waiting for. It's by far the most brazen and cowardly duck in the history of combat sports or even just combat in general.

    And he, as I correctly predicted he would, dropped that WBO LHW strap like it was molten lead after beating a shot to bits still concussed drunk shell of Kovalev and immediately hightailed it down to the weakest division in the sport, a division which is on par with the women's HW and CW divisions. Weird how he suddenly became interested in becoming undisputed for the first time in his career when he could've attempted to do so in the division he'd just won a world title, eh? A division which was much stronger than that wasteland of a graveyard division SMW is. Both Beterbiev and Bivol would've jumped at the chance to fight him and euthanize the Ginger hype but said ginger wasn't about that life and wanted no part of that smoke with either.
     
  12. Betyabeatyaup

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    Super middle is his most natural weight division imo. Canelo would absolutely annihilate Bivol, and he wouldn’t get a lot of credit or a boost from his casual fan base even if he could somehow get the W against Beterbiev. For legacy and money he’s making the right moves, I can’t fault him.
     
  13. Betyabeatyaup

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    GGGs jab and keeping distance is his main defense. You need to judge defense relative to style. Beterbiev is constantly out to destroy, and takes almost nothing in return. GGG eats flush punches when he pushes forwards, and relies on having the heavier artillery. He’s actually quite overrated both technically and defensively IMO. Jacobs, Brook and plenty of other opponents made him look ordinary. Then you had GGG fans saying that he intentionally ate flush shots. He’s simply not that good, certainly nowhere near Beterbiev on any level of boxing.
     
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  14. BoxingIQ

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    If Both were in the same weight class, I think GGG would win. GGG has goat footwork, balance, and power. GGG is a better puncher, counter puncher, and he is excellent at cutting off the ring. I think GGG would stop beri if they were both in the same weight class.
     
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  15. bowlingkid09

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    There is a good amount of truth to GGG's defense mainly being his sense of distance (which is excellent to be honest). GGG made Canelo's counter right miss all night long in the rematch so his defense is not THAT bad. I would have to credit GGG's footwork and shoulder roll for that. I have always believed that GGG has looked at his absolute best when he boxes. GGG does get hit more when he gets in exchanges.