Who's more skilled, Lomachenko or Usyk?

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  1. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    I don't think it's comparable over such a vast difference in weight classes. Would Usyk be able to fight like Loma if he was Loma's weight? Who knows? Could Loma fight like Usyk if he was Usyk's weight? Who knows? The way a prime Loma moves and does things is more "TV friendly". Flashy Matrix-style that can't be compared to what Usyk can and does as a heavyweight.
     
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  2. fruitandnutcase

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    I think Loma is more skilled but Usyk has more qualities. I appreciate 200+ is far weaker than 126-135 technically, but Usyk has more to his game than ''throw flurries from mid-range at different angles, then bounce away to admire your work''. I know that's selling Loma short, but Usyk rarely wastes the championship rounds like Loma does. Plus I think Usyk has a better jab
     
  3. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Usyk. Only one guy can win to Usyk, imho and apart from punchers chance of monster punchers like wilder or zhang (this chance always exists). This guy is Fury. Noone else can win to Usyk at HW imho. And when I mean Fury I mean a focused and motivated Fury, because if not focused and motivated Fury loses too.

    Fury is just too much of everything. Too much size, too much ring IQ, too much coordination, too much fundamentals, too much chin, too much heart, too much pride... that guy is a top notch fighter the same as Usyk, but with 1000 tons more. And in this sport size and weight matter.
     
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  4. SquaredCircle

    SquaredCircle Active Member Full Member

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    I tend to think Usyk has a better defense, more P4P strength, more mental fortitude (not to say Lomachenko doesn't have that, by any means), and is less prone to get gunshy. There's a certain quality about him that's hard to describe, but it's more difficult to take the play away from him than it is with Lomachenko. Lomachenko had more physical talent IMO, but Usyk will go down as the greater fighter.
     
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  5. Toney F*** U

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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    There isn't a more skilled fighter than Loma in the sport. He's one of the most skilled fighters of all time and that would be even more apparent if he wasn't fighting outside his natural weight class against giants who outweigh him by 2 or 3 divisions who have huge reach advantages on him. He has a tiny T-Rex reach and is routinelty facing opponents who have the reach of MWs or SMWs at 135


    Loma 65½'' reach

    Haney 71'' reach
    Commey 71'' reach
    Nakatani 71'' reach
    Campbell 71'' reach
    Pedraza 70½'' reach
    Linares 69'' reach
    Ortiz 69'' reach
    Teofimo 68½'' reach
    Kambosos 68'' reach
    Crolla 67'' reach

    He says it himself it's much harder fighting opponents with a big reach advantage and when that big/huge reach advantage is accompanied by a huge weight advantage it obviously makes things even more difficult and more risky too

    And he's fought 13 world champions in 20 fights, more or way more in less or way less fights than almost all of his peers, and in complete contrast to many others who've fought world champions dragged up in weight, shot ones who were champions long ago and/or were champions 1, 2 or even 3 weight classes lower almost all of the ones he's fought bar 1 or 2 were world champions at the weight he fought them at and in their primes and most were bigger or way bigger than him and only 1 or 2 significantly smaller.

    Seven of the 12 were champions at 135 ie. his third weight class and they were all way bigger than him and legit world champions n0t fake ones.

    Compare that to the smoke and mirrors Twink who on paper has fought 9 now IIRC but only one of them was a legit prime world champion at the weight he fought them at and that was Linares. Rolly just became a champ at 140 but that's pure PBC smoke and mirrors too and he only holds that belt due to the fix being in

    And look at how many styles Loma has fought. How many punchers. How many of the fastest fighters in the game. How many slicksters. In only 20 fights too.

    Some of the fastest in the game

    GRJ, Linares, Rigo, Haney and Teofimo has blazing hand speed too

    Haney was supposed to be faster according to many but that wasn't the case at all. I don't think he's near as fast as GRJ, Linares, Rigo or even Teofimo. Fast but not super fast or supernaturally fast

    As I've said many times before, no one in the P4P top 10 is routinely giving away the kind of physical advantages he is and many of them never are giving away any at all or if they are rarely.

    Loma at 135 is giving away way more weight and reach than Clenelo is up at 175 against the likes of Bivol and Kovalev. Way more.

    Crawford has never been at a reach disadvantage once in any of his world title fights and in complete contrast to Loma has often been the bigger man and had a big/huge or significant weight, reach or both advantage over his opponents. Compare how tiny Loma looks at 135 to how Crawford looks at 147.

    Crawford looks the same size as all these welterweights and not once have I ever thought it looked like he was in against someone who looked noticeably bigger let alone much or way bigger

    Clenelo and Crawford are fantastic fighters and two of the most skilled ones in the sport but their skills don't compare to Loma's.

    Usyk is the only one who is routinely giving away huge physical advantages like Loma but he's only had four fights at HW

    Many were saying Haney was not only this supremely skilled super slickster but that he's way more skilled than Loma. Obviously that's absurd and I won't get into the reasons why they think that or even believe he compares to Loma in that regard but he's nowhere near on Loma's level in terms of skill and never will be.

    He's got good skills for sure but he's just a massive weight bully who holds huge physical advantages over his opponents. If he only weighed 1 or 2 divisions more than Loma he would've got KTFO last night by a past prime version of him.

    Imagine what a same size Loma would do to him or a 1, 2 or 3 weights heavier one would. Loma would get arrested for legal homicide.

    The size difference last night wax obscene. It looked like a big 147 pounder vs a 126 pounder but Loma had Haney swinging and missing all night and he took the jab away fro m the fighter who supposedly had the best jab in the game, a jab his groupies waxed lyrical about. I don't recall him landing a single eye-catching jab all night upstairs or even downstairs.

    The only reason the fight was competitive was because Haney was gigantic compared to Loma and had a huge reach advantage. All these Haney salad tossers who gushed about his amazing skills and said they were on Loma's level look so stupid right now. You DKSAB
     
  7. CooperKupp

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    I think Loma is a little bit more skilled, but Usyk has more of a killer instinct. Or as some people would say… “More Dog in him”

    BOTH have tremendous heart. But skill wise it’s close imo. Edge to Hi Tech.
     
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  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Usyk was most of the time the same as his opponents, as they're usually the same weight in the cruiser division. As for the height - mostly the same, but was also the taller guy on several occasions even at heavy.

    Whether Usyk or Lomachenko is more skilled - this comparison is difficult when both fighters differ that much in size and weight.
     
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  9. vilderbeast

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    I think Loma's defense holds up in tricky situations and allows him to pick his moments for attack. Loma will often use his opponents' attacks early on as a means to figure then out, quell them and make his own moves as the fight progresses. Usyk lands when pushed back and makes use of swift and concise footwork to step and throw when moving forward. Loma has some hybrid thing going, the likes of which haven't been seen before in boxing (maybe down to those years training in dance added to his immense boxing experience) . Overall Loma is more unique. Usyk is more effective.
     
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  10. miniq

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    Usyk's defence overall can be naive he is a big cruiserweight and enjoys pressure fighting trying to draw offence which works well but not always. he has adopted a lot if the papachenko moves most of which someone like Fury will laugh at.

    Gets stuck in a high tight high guard ring circling at times and his clinches can be vulnerable if a big heavyweight who knows what they're doing wants to exploit him. hitting and holding he relies on the referee.

    That lead hand fake low then back high isnt going to make Fury blink its the quick feet that will and occasionally the head movement but feet comes first.
     
  11. Melankomas

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    Loma, but Usyk ranks higher all time
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    In my humble opinion, it's clearly Usyk (as of right now).

    Usyk is the far more proven P4P talent over the last several years, and if they both retired tomorrow, Usyk would rank higher All Time.
     
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  13. Babality

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    Usyk is a more complete fighter. But Lomachenko has flashes of brilliance that Usyk never has. Usyk is conventionally great.
     
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  14. SpeedKills

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    Lomachenko is more skilled. Usyk’s style is a bit more effective due to his high workrate, yet somehow also more economical than Lomachenko who wastes a lot of his energy on excessive footwork.
     
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  15. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loma fighting exclusively in the US is a prime reason for that comparison. Usyk is in my top 2 fav fighters but he's only fought a couple of times in the US. He also hasn't had to battle very skilful, very hyped, young up and coming US fighters on home soil.
    I would actually go as far as to say that in an alternate universe, Loma without changing his resume at all but say the fights were staged exclusively outside of the US, would still be undefeated and already a unified champion. Virtually mirroring his compatriot. I think Usyk has a better mentality for the game, Loma is a warrior but Usyk is a warrior of super human kind. I think Usyk has a bit more ring killer in him too, in that if he hurts a fighter he'll follow up slightly better than Loma.
     
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