Who's not a mismatch?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by abuffy, Aug 19, 2015.


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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Anyone who believes in that glass jawed hypejob should be laughed at endlessly.:yep
     
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  2. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Power isn't easily nullified. Perhaps if that's all an opponent has, then yes. But if your opponent is just as smart - if not smarter than you- has better skills, at least in some respective areas, AND has devastating power... then that's a different story.

    Also, on your points of Canelo's defense, I think the same can be said of Golovkin. He's hard to hit clean if he doesn't want you to hit him. Now, if you don't have any power or can't hurt him, he tends to be more open (similar to Pacquiao and how he conducts his defense).

    Also, Lemieux is probably one of the most explosive punchers right now... so, if/when Golovkin walks through him with ease, perhaps then you will rethink your GGG/Canelo prediction. ;)

    But I like our debate. Very respectful. Wish I had more like it, lol.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Canelo's is all man,he ain't taking a knee like Cotta the ref or the corner will have to stop it. Because otherwise I think Canelo will fight until he's beaten unconscious, so they'll have to protect him from himself.
     
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  4. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not really I wouldn't pick Lemiuex to beat Canelo, I'll give a degree of credit to GGG for the Lumieux fight as it's a unification bout with 2 major titles on the line we need more of those. but As far as quality of opponent Lumieux isn't an elite fighter.

    As far as ring iq Alvarez has been in with better "Boxers" than GGG and has handled himself fairly well. Alvarez is a strong fighter but more than that he's explosive with his punches and shots.

    Let's also not forget that both have been in the ring with each other, every account of the incident says neithr had a real advantages. Also a cosign by the good boy himself saying that a 19 yr old inexperienced Alvarez was one of the hardest guy's he's ever been in the ring with I don't see this as one sided at all.

    Both fighters have attributes that could potentially upset the other.
     
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  5. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Golovkin is a really nice guy. He says each of his opponent is the toughest guy he's ever faced. He said it about Lemieux yesterday. That's just his character because in the same breath, he'll say "no" to ever being hurt or being in a hard fight.

    Canelo might have been in the ring with great boxers to help his ring IQ, but Golovkin himself is one of those boxers.

    It'll be a great fight, regardless. Kellerman terms it a Hagler/Hearns type of fight.
     
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  6. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Alvarez beats Stevens easy the rest are good fights.
     
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  7. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    For me its the best matchup in a long time :bbb
     
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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Quillin or Lee would still be Golovkins' best victory.

    So I would say either of those two are less mismatches than all of his other opponents (Murray and Geale only exceptions, really).
     
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  9. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Berto. If TSBE (second best ever) moves up, GGG might finally have to move up and fight Ward.
     
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  10. CST80

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    Quillin and Lee both lose to Lemieux and by vicious KO.:deal Although if Lee could survive the initial onslaught which I doubt he could he could take David out.
     
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  11. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think given the fact that most of the people in the gym that day say, both gave an even account that might hold some validity.

    Think about it you have guys like Kovalev who say GGG hit HARD and they say GGG trashed him in the gym, yet when it comes to Alvarez vs GGG in the gym all that stop's!

    I agree it, it's one of the most competitive matchups out right now like I said I think Alvarez win's a MD with scores like 115-113/114-114/116-112. 7-5 Probably being the right score, I also feel there is a good chance Canelo fight's Mayweather after Cotto and then GGG for the (WBA,IBF, & intriem WBC).

    Regardless of what you hear if Mayweather callsout the winner the WBC will allow that fight.

    Mayweather-Cotto II/Alvarez II are on the low historically great fight's due to both sides
    Cotto/Alvarez-GGG isn't not yet, even though Lemieux isn't a elite fighter GGG unifying the WBA/IBF is what he should be doing building his profile.
     
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  12. CST80

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    Well in Kovalev's defense he was out of shape and just starting camp and GGG was just getting done with his, and from what I've read somewhere GGG complained about headaches for days after sparring Sergey as well.
     
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  13. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, you'll probably see the GGG/Canelo fight this spring....as long as Canelo doesn't vacate (which I doubt he would). But GGG wins in impressive fashion against Lemieux and then Canelo against Cotto... That sets a stage for a huge PPV- probably at Dallas Stadium.

    It'll be crazy awesome. Gennady is already getting a good amount of mainstream attention as it is. That fight will send him into being a crossover star if/when he wins, maybe... A big enough star to entice Floyd. (Jk, that'll never happen.)
     
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  14. jesse

    jesse Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If GGG does decent numbers against Lemieux and then STOPS the Cotto/canelo winner, don't completely rule out a Floyd fight at 154. Not saying it's likely but at that point GGG would have a considerable buzz
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Maybe I am a little down on Lemiuex, but you're certainly a little high on him, IMHO.

    He has a FAR BETTER chance against Lee or Quillin than he does against Gennady, but I would still favor Lee and Quillin against him.

    I would favor him against Canelo at this time, however, because I never thought Canelo was a spectacular 154 pounder, and I think he'll be even less effective competing as a true middleweight should he ever actually fight at the full limit. But I'm open to having my mind changed on this one, one way or another, depending on how they both look in their respective upcoming high profile bouts.

    :smoke
     
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