Who's received more gift decisions, Ali or Delahoya?

De la Hoya....

Got a gift decision against Sturm. The fight against Whitaker and the second Mosley fight were close. He was robbed agianst Trinidad. So he only received one gift decision.

Ali....

Got a gift decision against Norton. The fight against Young was close. I though he beat Shavers.

 

I agree.

Also, a close fight is not a gift decision. I think Tito-Oscar was far more controversial that Norton-Ali and Oscar-Whitaker.

 

Ali only really got a gift against Norton in the third, Young/Norton2/Jones Ali edged

Delahoya - Sturm & Quartey - Delahoya beat Whitaker who didnt do anything offensive in there fight. I had DLH beating Tito and losing to Mosley both times

 

Yeah he didn't do anything but outland De La Hoya and make him miss in a majority of the round's.

 

Can't really believe this nonsense about Frazier being robbed in the second fight with Ali. Ali controlled that fight from start to finish and only really give away rounds in which he was coasting. If someone was robbed in that fight it was Ali, of a possible knock-down in the second round (can't see him knocking Frazier out though).

The second fight against Norton was much tougher for Ali, even though he deservedly won that with a slim margin. Even Norton himself admits as much. I haven't studied the third fight closely enough to have an informed opinion.

As for the fight against Doug Jones it was very tough, but to say that Jones actuallt won more rounds than Ali is very misinformed to say the least in my opinion. He certainly gave Ali a run for his money, but he didn'nt dominate that many rounds.

The fights against Norton and Jones at least was close and veru hard-fought, but to say that Frazier won the second fight against Ali is just ridicolous. Frazier, as always, was a tough opponent, but Ali had his number in that fight.

And all the claims that Ali was fighting on the retreat and just flicking Frazier are also unqualified. People forget that Frazier was coming forward at a fast pace. And, as anyone who has ever boxed knows, even a jab in the face of someone surging forward is almost like a straight right. Ali also planted his feet from time and delivered some bombs, most notably towards the end of round two.

 

The only thing wrong with Frazier-Ali II is that Ali wasn't DQ'd for obscenely excessive behind-the-head clinching, IMO.

It was disgusting.

 

I watched this fight carefully a couple days ago and I take it back. De La Hoya did get a gift against Quartey.

But Ali-Shavers was still a worse decision.

 

Ali admits he personally feels he lost the third Norton fight, so take that as you will.

Ali should of lost serious points in the second Frazier fight for the behind the head holding and what not.

 

If anything the Judges have been unfair to De La Hoya. Ali had many gifts in his career, I don't think he ever beat Norton, Shavers beat him, as did Jones, and he should not have been allowed to hold Fraizer so much with out at least a point or 2 taken off.

 

Ali has a nasty habit of subtly holding behind the head and getting away with it.

 

I'm so sick of people talking about the Quartey fight. You obviously have not watched it in awhile. Oscar won first part of fight; after six when both fighters scored a knock down, Quartey led until the final rounds when Oscar came back. The twelfth round was the deal breaker in that Quartey was knocked down again (equalizing the points as Oscar was two points behind) and the two minute pummelling that ensued in the corner (sending Oscar straight over what he needed.) This was not a robbery nor was the Whitaker fight. Watch the fights and know what your talking about or **** off.

 

I would cast my vote for Ali with SRL as runner up....DLH while not my fav arguably has as many bad decision loses as wins???

 

Any close decisions were after Manila. Ali was finished then as the great fighter. Shavers and Young - it wouldn't be close in 1967. Shavers would've ended up like Liston - well beaten.