Who's slower Joyce or Old Man Foreman

there are some combinations that joyce throws which are pretty good offkilter shots. his hook after the jab is pretty sharp and don't think i have ever seen george do capoeira after a fight.
kinda mad that george was younger in his comeback than joyce is now.


still saying joyce is slower

 

Joyce is slow, really slow but old Foreman was slower. But Foreman has a better jab and generally was more skilled. Joyce could learn a lot from Foreman's style to be more effective and not so easy to hit.

 

Speaking of Foreman, Joyce needs to learn that Foreman/Archie Moore crossguard. It wouldn't be any worse that whatever he's calling a guard now.

 

Foreman had a decent hand speed even at the older age. Likely carried over from his original style which consisted mainly of long guard and grappling. The man could parry.

 

If you watch the highlights of Joyce vs Dubois:

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Joyce is appreciably quicker than he has been in recent fights; he is gone from being somewhat slow with a difficult to read rhythm to just really slow. He is still probably a bit quicker than old man Foreman however.

 

To be as old as he was Foreman's handspeed really wasn't all that bad. He was by no means speedy but he was quick enough to hit guys with shots they never seen coming. There were a number of fighters who were simply really quick in the 90's with getting their shots off. I ain't never seen Joyce hit someone with something they didn't see, they saw it but just couldn't do anything about it.

I have never seen a slower HW than Joe Joyce ever. I'm really wracking my brain trying to think of someone that was world level (not even elite, but just world level) that was as slow as Joyce. And when I say slow, I'm not talking about against Chisora where he's significantly slower than he was, but even when he was actually on his run towards a title.

Joyce is diabolically slow.

 

Joyce’s hands are much slower. His technique is awful. A lot of “fat” in his punches that makes them more telegraphed and easier to read.

Foreman’s punches could be deceptively quick, especially his jab and straight right. He has one of the highest percentage of jabs landed in compubox history and that ain’t possible with slow hands. He also had a counter left uppercut he’d throw sometimes against orthodox opponents that could be really explosive. Like the one he landed on Jimmy Ellis (not the 70s fighter) that rocked him badly.

 

He always had great timing he kept it until the very end. Even in the Briggs fight (which he clearly won)

Any version of Foreman smashes Joyce.

 

George can be slow due to age and fat deposits. Joe has neither, and that's why he's a slower Joe.
It can be like this...imagine how 49-year-old Joyce would box against that Briggs.

 

Foreman had quicker straighter punches his jab and right were deceptively fast even Moorer who was in his prime didnt see the right hand coming that knocked him out.

Joyce for a big man isn't that big of a puncher either he hit a shot 41 year old Chisora over 300 times and never dropped him.

If Foreman hit the same version of Chisora with even half the amount of clean punches Chisora would be flat on his back.

Just goes to show size isn't everything a 210 pound Haye poleaxed a much younger Chisora in just 5 rounds.