Who's the best defensive Boxer?

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  1. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao or Juan Manuel Marquez. I've always thought that Juan Manuel Marquez was until i look up their last eight fights defensive stats, and the results left me speechless.
     
  2. PBF24

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    Defensive stats:

    Jaca/Barrera/Pacquiao/Casamayor/Diaz/Floyd/Diaz/Katsidis: Total punches landed/thrown against Juan Manuel Marquez

    Landed: 1,569
    Thrown: 4,920

    32%


    Power punches

    Landed: 922
    Thrown: 2,611

    35%


    Total Jabs

    Landed: 647
    Thrown: 2,309

    28%
     
  3. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao

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    Marquez/Diaz/Oscar/Hatton/Cotto/Clottey/Margarito/Mosley: Total punches landed/thrown against MannyPacquiao

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    Thrown: 3,597

    26%


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    Thrown: 1,778

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    Thrown: 1,819

    19%
     
  4. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    there you have it

    the numbers dont lie...clearly pacquiao
     
  5. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Its Marquez by a long shot. Yes they both get hit but Marquez can counterpunch unlike pacquiao. Plus Marquez has fought alot harder competiton his last 5 fights then Pacquiao has so the stats are misleading
     
  6. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That doesn't mean anything. I thought JMM was better defensively than Manny, but the numbers clearly stated otherwise. JMM gets hit a whole lot more than Manny.
     
  7. JMP

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    Last 5 fights for JMM: Ramos, Katsidis, Diaz, Mayweather, Diaz

    Last 5 fights for Pacquiao: Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Cotto, Hatton

    Mayweather's the best fighter of the 10 fights easily, but Katsidis and Diaz (and especially Ramos) aren't better than Miguel Cotto or more dangerous at the time than a 165-170 pound Antonio Margarito. Clottey was coming offf of a arguable win vs. Cotto, so to say Marquez has fought much better competition is laughable.

    And the counterpunching advantage to Marquez has nothing to do with the question. It's strictly defense and Pacquiao, with his reflexes and legs, gets hit less than Marquez. Marquez might have more textbook defensive moves, but he doesn't have a better defense than Pacquiao. His defense looked downright mediocre against Katsidis and Juan Diaz. There were times when he'd be on the ropes for stretches and get hit with just about everything.
     
  8. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Because Pacquiao HASN'T FOUGHT ANYBODY!!! Clottey only threw 5 punches a round!! Same thing with Mosley. Marquez stats would be alot better if he had those 2 fights under his belt. but hes fighting warriors like katsids and Diaz, of course his stats arent gonna look as good
     
  9. JMP

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    Your credibility: going...going......gone!

    :good
     
  10. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Not its not laughable that Marquez hasnt fought better competiton. Clottey lost to Cotto and Pacquiao fought him after that. Margarito shouldnt even had got the fight and is punching bag.

    I'll say it again. Pacquiao hasnt fought anybody that JMM has. Margarito has wide and slow ass punches, of course Pacquiao stats are gonna look good. Mosley didnt fight back so of course pacquiao stats are gonna look good. and Clottey threw 5 punches a round so Of course Pac stats are gonna look better then Marquez.
     
  11. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Why is that?? If Pacquaio fought Katsidis you would see how often he gets hit. how can you compare Marquez-Katsidis fight to Pac-Mosley??? Mosley ran for 12 rounds so Of course Pacquiao looks like a defensive wizard :lol::lol:

    Some PPL just dont get it....
     
  12. wooootles

    wooootles Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Marquez was such a good defensive fighter why is his ass on the canvas every damn big fight?

    He's a fine counterpuncher, but he trades, and trades alot. And more often than not, ass on the canvas (though he comes back to win many times)

    Protip: Pacquiao can counterpunch too. It's just that more often than not, he'd rather initiate the action
     
  13. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marquez hits the ground every time he gets hit in the chin
     
  14. motorcity

    motorcity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who was Katsidis that everyone thinks that's a good Marquez win? The guy is there to be hit and already stopped by old Casamayor and beaten buy Juan Diaz. Katsidis is like a poor man's Gatti, a worse version. At least Gatti could pick up straps.

    Better yet switch the names between the two fighters and everyone will be saying Marquez resume is Godworthy beating DLH, Cotto, Hatton, Clottey Margarito and Mosley while Pac played it safe at 135 fighting bums and then lost to Floyd.
     
  15. motorcity

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    Katsidis = grade a bum already stopped by old Casamayor that everyone hypes just because he's exciting. He's a worse version of Gatti. Pac would've humiliated him and you would be complaining that he's another come forward brawler whose career was ended by Pac. He's worse than Margarito. At least Marg was able to be the recognized champion in his divison in his career.