Who's the Best Heavyweight you'd pick Ezzard Charles to Beat?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Ken Norton definitely. I'll scale up from there.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Jimmy Young
    Kenny Norton
    Tim Witherspoon
    Ron Lyle
    Ray Mercer
    David Tua
    Chris Byrd
     
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  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good list. But Ken Norton and Tim Witherspoon both had powerful jabs and excellent, clubbing overhand rights.

    Their jabs were good enough to match Ali's jab and Holmes' jabs in their fights.

    And Joe Louis, when he had little else, still had a strong jab against Charles and closed Ezzard's eye tight with it.

    I think Ken and Tim would knock Charles back with their strong jabs and the overhand rights they threw would blast him out at some point. Joe couldn't pull the trigger on his right in that fight. Ken and Tim could, IMO.
     
  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would confidently pick him to beat Jack Dempsey. Tunney did it twice and Charles was better than Tunney IMO
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Well, if we're including sub-200lbers, then I'd pick him over Marciano and Dempsey too, as well as Sharkey, Patterson and Schmeling.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    Maybe so, but the age-old mantra is that you: "jab with a jabber but never hook with a hooker".

    Witherspoon is a toss up for me, I basically went with Charles coz he's my favourite lol but I do think he'd win as Witherspoon did often have trouble with movers. Look at the fights with Tubbs, Thomas, Williams etc; and I think Charles, whilst smaller, is clearly better and crafier than all of those. And Charles' issues with Louis' jab are little overstated IMO, since Louis barely won four rounds.

    As for Norton, I have to disagree here. Norton's style of defence is perfected to defend against 1-2s, by nature. However it presents openings to left hooks due to holding the right hand on the left side of the chin. Charles loved to move to his left, and unlike Ali, hooked off the jab as he did so. In stead of trying to land crosses which Ken could parry, Charles would do what Young did, and that's fight at range and spoil, but work a nice hook off the jab. Plus, Charles was definitely better than Young.
     
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  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he would have been just too fast and slick for Joe
     
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's difficult to win rounds primarily landing a jab. It's supposed to be used to set up other things.

    Still, Louis shut his eye with jabs.

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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Norton was Joe Frazier's primary sparring partner for years. He could handle left hooks. Quarry was a good left-hooker, too. Norton bashed the hell out of him.

    Norton gets a little underrated these days. In his heyday, really only Foreman dominated him. It's difficult seeing a six-foot 180-pounder beating Norton at his best.

    Who knows, really.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Joe Louis pre-World War II would've stopped Charles. Joe was an excellent combination puncher then.
     
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  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would have to agree he was one of the greatest combination punchers of all time, but I still favor Charles. Charles was a master at making the best miss and I think this would be the same case.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder doesn`t set a fast pace, if the fight is at the same pace as the first Wildder fight v Fury then Charles would not gas, it wws a very cagey fight aside from the knockdowns.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Awful! Charles was better in every department, this little fella landed far more shots than Haye did on Valuev.
     
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  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I think he could beat Floyd Patterson and maybe Ike Ibeabuchi more often than not

    He could probably go 1/3 with the likes of Jeffries and Holyfield too
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    That's a clip that shows the moments he landed.

    See, I can do that with Valuev, too. And Barrett was normally closer in terms of style to Charles than Marcelo Dominguez was. Regardless, Charles would've had to change his style to land on Valuev. I'm sure Charles would do fine and it would be a distance fight. But I still see it like Loughran-Carnera. Sometimes size is just too much to overcome, no matter how skillful you are. You can't land as fluidly as you normally do, so you're reduced to pot shotting.

    Valuev would've been 12 inches taller and 140 pounds heavier than Charles.

    Ezzard never had a 320-pounder draped over his shoulders in clinches all night. The immovable object tends to wear you out.

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