Who's the best of these Heavyweights?

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  1. Historical boxing society

    Historical boxing society Member Full Member

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    These guys are all in the same wheelhouse. Going to have to really put on your think cap to figure these guys out. In a heavyweight tournament who's coming out on top.

    A few 2nd tier pioneers mixed in with the era of smaller heavyweights. Many of these guys are cruiserweights.


    Gimme your top 3....

    Includes height/weight/ Analytic score.
    Battling Jim Johnson 5 10 225 41
    Tom Heeney 5 10 1/2 215 40
    James Braddock 6 2 1/2 185 20
    Fighting Bob Martin 6 2 1/2 195 22
    Floyd Johnson 6 1 200 20
    Luis Firpo 6 2 1/2 215 20
    Bob Roper 5 11 195 46
    Carl Morris 6 4 225 91
    Jimmy Slattery 5 11 1/2 175 44
    Denver Ed Martin 6 3 1/2 210 22
    Marvin Hart 5 11 1/2 190 84
    Jim Maloney 5 11 1/2 200 43
    Johnny Risko 5 10 190 136
    Jack Renault 6 1 200 50
    Bill Brennan 6 1 200 39
    Chuck Wiggins 5 10 1/2 190 33
    Charlie weinert 5 11 1/22 190 104
    Al kaufman 6 1 205 42
    Gus Ruhlin 6 2 200 66
    Tom Cowler 6 2 215 30
    Jim Coffey 6 3 1/2 200 36
    Frank Moran 6 1 195 22
    Jim Barry 5 10 1/2 200 82
    Luther Mccarthy 6 2 1//2 215 27
    Larry Gain 6 2 1//2 200 25
    Charlie Retzlaff 6 3 195 16
     
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  2. SixesAndSevens

    SixesAndSevens Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire Full Member

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    Not too familiar with these old eras of boxing, but Braddock and Risko are the first two names I think I'd nominate. Not sure on a third one.

    Firpo? Roper? Hart? I got no idea.
     
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I know Firpo beat him very late in his career but I'll put Bill Brennan at number 1, Luther McCarty based on potential at number 2, followed by Braddock who put it together for a good, little run at heavy.
     
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  4. HistoryZero26

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    Braddock by a fairly large margin. Morris and Coffey would be 2nd and 3rd though. Weinart is mainly a LHW great as he was something like 25-1 at that weight class when he moved up to HW. The rest of the list are "underrated" types.


    Luthar McCarthy being put over Braddock is sacrilige. He wasn't even the best HW with the name McCarthy in his era.
     
  5. Saintpat

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    I would rank them by height.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There were literally bets on whether Carl Morris would show up to his fights, not whether he would win or not. And there were the issues around some fixed fights in which he partook. He was seen as a fairly safe, durable stepping stone, but nothing extraordinary. Did not train, did not have discipline.

    At the time of his death McCarty was seen as the logical Great White Hope to face Johnson, he had strung together impressive wines against Moran, Flynn x2, Palzer and Al Kaufman. And he had already KO'd Carl Morris. So, based on potential I rank him that high because this is a head-to-head assignment, not one of swinging complete career records at each other.

    Interesting to note that both Morris and McCarty were of Native American extraction and both were giants for the day.

    Braddock got beat a lot so I don't reckon he won't slip up in a tourney style event. But I still have him at number 3.
     
  7. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jim Coffey is on this list and knocked out Luther McCarthy. Easy.

    The "white" heavyweight title was honestly a joke before Gunboat won it. And Gunboat was viewed as the top white HW in 1913/1914 whether he won that stupid meme belt or not. Luther and Pelkey were nowhere close to being in the discusion. There was a thread about whether some posters on this site could beat any HW champion. Guess where my mind instantly went. Arthur Pelkey. Luther DID have potential but he did not really stand out in any way where he should be compared favorably to the types on this list. Like I mentioned wasn't even the best HW with his last name. Neither was Jim Johnson but his last name was "Johnson". Thats different.

    Morris was the number one contender on mutliple occasions. Morris was the best win of Willards career. He was an incredibly dirty fighter. But that doesn't mean he wasn't good, he was.

    Braddocks career is(mostly) winning streak, losing streak, winning streak. He was actually incredibly consistant whether it was as a winner or a loser.
     
  8. Historical boxing society

    Historical boxing society Member Full Member

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    This is a very difficult to judge field. This is a very good white hope crop.
    This is Era 1 & Era 2. Born pre 1905. Era 2 is the thickest Lightheavy field of all time almost.

    My Favorite's would be..
    Mccarthy
    Morris (who know which guy shows up)
    Braddock
    Hart
    Ruhlin
    Weinert.

    Off top of my head.

    I got no idea who simulation will pick.

    Here is the eliminated list via my Boxing simulation. (Some Lightheavys not listed).

    I would really like people votes.

    ELIMINATED. In order...20.



    Marvin Hart
    Bill Brennan
    Floyd Johnson
    Battlin Jim Johnson
    Chuck Wiggins
    Johnny Risko (highest analytics but lost alot)
    Hugo Kelly
    Jim Barry
    Bartley Madden
    Mike Shreck
    Bob Roper
    Jim Maloney
    Martin Burke
    Fightin Bob Martin
    Frank Moran
    Tom Heeney
    Denver Ed Martin
    Sandy Ferguson
    Tony Ross
    Frankie Schoell


    I'm eliminate 20 more in a few days.