These guys are all in the same wheelhouse. Going to have to really put on your think cap to figure these guys out. In a heavyweight tournament who's coming out on top. A few 2nd tier pioneers mixed in with the era of smaller heavyweights. Many of these guys are cruiserweights. Gimme your top 3.... Includes height/weight/ Analytic score. Battling Jim Johnson 5 10 225 41 Tom Heeney 5 10 1/2 215 40 James Braddock 6 2 1/2 185 20 Fighting Bob Martin 6 2 1/2 195 22 Floyd Johnson 6 1 200 20 Luis Firpo 6 2 1/2 215 20 Bob Roper 5 11 195 46 Carl Morris 6 4 225 91 Jimmy Slattery 5 11 1/2 175 44 Denver Ed Martin 6 3 1/2 210 22 Marvin Hart 5 11 1/2 190 84 Jim Maloney 5 11 1/2 200 43 Johnny Risko 5 10 190 136 Jack Renault 6 1 200 50 Bill Brennan 6 1 200 39 Chuck Wiggins 5 10 1/2 190 33 Charlie weinert 5 11 1/22 190 104 Al kaufman 6 1 205 42 Gus Ruhlin 6 2 200 66 Tom Cowler 6 2 215 30 Jim Coffey 6 3 1/2 200 36 Frank Moran 6 1 195 22 Jim Barry 5 10 1/2 200 82 Luther Mccarthy 6 2 1//2 215 27 Larry Gain 6 2 1//2 200 25 Charlie Retzlaff 6 3 195 16
Not too familiar with these old eras of boxing, but Braddock and Risko are the first two names I think I'd nominate. Not sure on a third one. Firpo? Roper? Hart? I got no idea.
I know Firpo beat him very late in his career but I'll put Bill Brennan at number 1, Luther McCarty based on potential at number 2, followed by Braddock who put it together for a good, little run at heavy.
Braddock by a fairly large margin. Morris and Coffey would be 2nd and 3rd though. Weinart is mainly a LHW great as he was something like 25-1 at that weight class when he moved up to HW. The rest of the list are "underrated" types. Luthar McCarthy being put over Braddock is sacrilige. He wasn't even the best HW with the name McCarthy in his era.
There were literally bets on whether Carl Morris would show up to his fights, not whether he would win or not. And there were the issues around some fixed fights in which he partook. He was seen as a fairly safe, durable stepping stone, but nothing extraordinary. Did not train, did not have discipline. At the time of his death McCarty was seen as the logical Great White Hope to face Johnson, he had strung together impressive wines against Moran, Flynn x2, Palzer and Al Kaufman. And he had already KO'd Carl Morris. So, based on potential I rank him that high because this is a head-to-head assignment, not one of swinging complete career records at each other. Interesting to note that both Morris and McCarty were of Native American extraction and both were giants for the day. Braddock got beat a lot so I don't reckon he won't slip up in a tourney style event. But I still have him at number 3.
Jim Coffey is on this list and knocked out Luther McCarthy. Easy. The "white" heavyweight title was honestly a joke before Gunboat won it. And Gunboat was viewed as the top white HW in 1913/1914 whether he won that stupid meme belt or not. Luther and Pelkey were nowhere close to being in the discusion. There was a thread about whether some posters on this site could beat any HW champion. Guess where my mind instantly went. Arthur Pelkey. Luther DID have potential but he did not really stand out in any way where he should be compared favorably to the types on this list. Like I mentioned wasn't even the best HW with his last name. Neither was Jim Johnson but his last name was "Johnson". Thats different. Morris was the number one contender on mutliple occasions. Morris was the best win of Willards career. He was an incredibly dirty fighter. But that doesn't mean he wasn't good, he was. Braddocks career is(mostly) winning streak, losing streak, winning streak. He was actually incredibly consistant whether it was as a winner or a loser.
This is a very difficult to judge field. This is a very good white hope crop. This is Era 1 & Era 2. Born pre 1905. Era 2 is the thickest Lightheavy field of all time almost. My Favorite's would be.. Mccarthy Morris (who know which guy shows up) Braddock Hart Ruhlin Weinert. Off top of my head. I got no idea who simulation will pick. Here is the eliminated list via my Boxing simulation. (Some Lightheavys not listed). I would really like people votes. ELIMINATED. In order...20. Marvin Hart Bill Brennan Floyd Johnson Battlin Jim Johnson Chuck Wiggins Johnny Risko (highest analytics but lost alot) Hugo Kelly Jim Barry Bartley Madden Mike Shreck Bob Roper Jim Maloney Martin Burke Fightin Bob Martin Frank Moran Tom Heeney Denver Ed Martin Sandy Ferguson Tony Ross Frankie Schoell I'm eliminate 20 more in a few days.