Who's the better welter?

Maybe he doesn't believe that pinning a fighter against the ropes and wailing on him for fifteen rounds amounts to domination.

But there are people who believe Leonard won that fight. I'm not kidding.

 

Because he'd gone on a winning streak since then.

That copy of THE RING RECORD BOOK you bragged about having will show you that.

HINT: One of them was the same guy Bruce Curry had beat to break into the top 10 the year before.

Prove it.

And if you think The Ring's book is so obviously crooked, why did you give it credence in the first place?

You're right, the string of wins he scored after that did.

I have acknowledged them. They're exactly what makes Cuevas look so bad for losing to him.

So why couldn't Cuevas beat him?

So was Cuevas not good enough to get a title shot because he'd lost to Price?

I'm still waiting for you to "take apart" the pieces about Cuevas' failure to beat Price or Gavilan's series with Graham, among a host of other things.

A lot more than what you've said.

Gee, what an embarrassment... :roll:

Prove it.

Scorecards or STFU.

Since when is breaking bones a necessary criteria for a top 10 ranking??

 

This thread is hilarious lol

 

Tie since they would both lose to Terry Norris, the UNCROWNED WELTERWEIGHT KING, in fact he already beat WW kingpin Donald Curry anyway

 

Red, I think you better start considering Billy Graham for a spot in your top 10 if you think he has 4 wins against Kid Gavilan, to go on top of his win and draw against Carmen Basilio and other wins against the likes of Art Aragon, Tony Pellone, Terry Young and Fitzie Pruden.

Again, I wouldn't suggest anything silly like 4 wins against Kid Gavilan being as good as 3 crushing wins against Angel Espada, but surely that would put Billy near the rarefied air where Pipino dwells?

 

Mainly because of Roosters acolytes.............such as yourself:deal

 

Andy Price UD10 Pipino Cuevas
Ray Leonard KO1 Andy Price
Classic Forum KO1 RedRooster

 

In a series of thousands:deal

 

Hey, that's a good point! :good

Graham apparently beat Gavilan more times than Robinson did!

 

:yep

I'm guessing that if he additionally had crushing power and broke bones like Cuevas did, he'd have scraped into the top 15.

 

Red, how do you see a peak matchup between Pippy and Gavilan going?

 

Hearns.
clearly.
stopped much less than curry did at 147 , and stopped by the much better opposition at that.
also achieved much more at higher weights.

 

I just DID tell you. It's the same guy Bruce Curry beat to get his top 10 ranking the year before. All you have to do is open your Ring Record Book and look that up. Or were you lying when you said you had a copy of the RRB, too??

Doing something Cuevas couldn't do.

Two of them were by KO. Your RING RECORD BOOK that you claimed to have would've told you that - assuming you really had it.

Referee, please tell this guy to SHOW ME HIS SCORECARDS FOR THE GAVILAN-GRAHAM SERIES.