Who's the GOAT at SMW?

Would those guys have beaten Steve Collins?

 

This..

Ring Magazine even put it on the front page telling Roy to move up or shut up..

I myself would have been pissed.. Calzaghe was unknown to me and the large majority of American PPV buyers, we all wanted to see Roy go to HW.

 

I think the majority of Americans were oblivious to Benn and Eubank also.
Both would have kicked Toney's ass.

Look what they did to two boxers careers'
Shame it happened but Benn and Eubank HURT people.

 

Toney punked Benn and Eubank on television.
They didn't want any.

And I honestly don't think Benn has a good chance against Toney at all.

 

Now, h2h GOAT @ SMW - Gonzalez? (either one; Chiquita or Chocolatito)

Chang?

Yuh?

Carbajal?

Gushiken?

Lopez despite only having a cup of coffee?


:think

 

Who knows?

What I do know is Froch had the nuts to fight and beat everyone there was to fight and beat besides Ward.

Would Collins have beaten Ward?

 

Who gives Chocolatito the most problems at SMW?

 

In my opinion, yeah. Ward couldn't handle that type of pressure.
Its why Calzaghe beats Ward also,
Ward's not avoiding 100 punchers per round. He's not Bernard Hopkins.

You admit Ward beat your man, Froch, yet you rate Froch over Ward in your list?

 

Collins can't beat Johnson yet he's beating Ward?

Your love for the UK is blinding you.
And yes. Ward let Froch take on Dirrell, Bute and Kessler in a rematch.

Froch also has Johnson, Pascal, Taylor. Who does Ward have? He has Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Dawson.

Passed on Bute and Dirrell. Froch cleaned up his dirty work.

 

That was hilarious. Benn wouldn't even last the distance against Toney.

 

bailey,

Not really, because Hagler wasn't big, and it was a big jump from MW straight to LHW.

Ottke wasn't even in the same league as Joe.

Yes Hopkins was happy at MW, but he was fighting big name fighters, and wasn't hid away like Joe was.

There is nothing wrong with it, depending on the circumstances involved. But Joe was struggling at the weight, and he said he wanted the big fights in America. He was too good to be fighting the Woodhall's of the world. We both know he was good enough to be mixing it at 175.

Hopkins circumstances were completely different though.

You can call him the best ever at SMW, I've no issue with that. But lets not pretend he achieved something incredible. He could have gone to the U.S. and tried to fight the likes of Roy etc. But instead, he decided to stay and fight mostly fight subpar opposition.

I'm not bothered about your boxrec stats.

A division that contained Roy Jones, DM, Tarver, Hopkins, Griffin and Toney etc, was better than a division that contained Brewer, Ottke, Reid, Woodhall, Bika etc.

So what?

How long did they spend at SMW?

They passed through.

There's lots of fighters that could have stopped there their whole careers. But they didn't. Roy could have stayed there from 94 until he went up to HW, but he didn't.

Joe stayed there for 14 years. Is that a great achievement? I would say no, not when he had the talent to fight against better opposition that what was in the SMW division.

Andre will definitely move up. He's been out through injury, but he's still only 29/30.

 

Which of Calzaghe's wins at 168 are better than Ward's over Dawson?

Yes I realize Dawson hadn't fought at 168 in over 5 years.

Nonetheless, I'd like to know. Obviously there is the Kessler W. Go on...?

 

Johnson at that time was better than Ward is today. He beat Toney on most cards, and was as slick as a greaseball back then.

Collins beat Reggie on my card, and many others.

 

Collins is Irish, that's not apart of the UK, also I said Froch lost to loads of people so I'm not a nationalistic Brittard as some of the British guys on here are with their unbiased views.
I call it how I see it.

The Steve Collins who defeated Eubank and Benn would have beaten Roy Jones. He'd also beat Ward. Ward's not met a guy like Collins' before. the closest to Collins he faced was Kessler.
Now, Collins is a much better fighter then Kessler.
That was prime Steve collins, not the guy who lost to Johnson.
I've yet to see the Johnson - Collins fight but I'll give it a watch to see if it was a fair decision.

Froch lost to Direll, he was losing to taylor before the stoppage and lost to Ward and Kessler.

Froch would have lost to Collins and Calzaghe.
Roy Jones' would have humiliated Froch with his slow style.

 

Toney after the Iran performance was clearly the best fighter on the planet, bar none.

In the magazine lists, it was between him and Whitaker for the #1 mythical 'lb4lb' spot.

Eubank was probably one of the best 'lb4lb' - up there with Toney, Pernell, McClellan, Chavez etc, but we don't know because he never boxed to his full potential - the guy would win six rounds in 4th or 5th gear then spend the rest of the fight in reverse, standing like a statue or walking away like a robot and losing rounds against far inferior boxers...some even arguably deserving to beat him (Thornton, Amaral, Schommer).