Whos the greater fighter SRL or FMJ

145 isn’t commonplace now. That’s you twisting the truth.

 

At Welterweight I don't think Mayweather could beat Hearns or Duran and Benitez but at the same time not apples to apples because Floyd started his career in the lighter weight class.

 

Where did I say it was? I've told you about making strawman arguments before.

The difference between SFW and the next weight up is 5lbs. The average weight increase recorded from weigh to fight night on the link I posted is way in excess of 5lbs.

A reasonable guess is that the average fight night weight of a SFW today is around the average fight night weight of a LW or LWW in the 80's.

 

Thank you kindly!

 

OK so inspired by this thread I rewatched Leonard vs Hagler and I have to say, despite all the great opinions on this thread, I came away convinced firstly Leonard is the greater fighter and secondly it showed me just looking at the raw data of a champs career does not convey the true story of their greatness.

I respect everyone's opinion rating Mayweather higher but frankly I have never seen Floyd go into the lion's den like this and box so well. Even though I scored it a draw, Leonard was dazzling. Also it convinced me that Hagler was not that much on the slide. He hit Ray with some bombs and was achingly close to grinding him down. For me a supposedly faded Hagler put up a far far better performance than Pacquiao did against Mayweather, and frankly Pacquiao is the only opponent of Mayweather I put in the same class of ferociousness as Hagler.

Also Hagler showed me again he was a far more three dimensional fighter than often portrayed. Against one of the fastest boxers in history he threw combinations of almost equal speed, showed a great variety in his punches and was a master of angles and cutting off the ring. A great fighter and boxer.

I am going to do a write up in more detail but the key for me was that Ray didn't just run and slap, he stood toe to toe with a top 3 ATG after a 5 year layoff. And even when he was totally exhausted in the final rounds he was still playing mind games with Marvin and even weathered the last round slightly better.

Head2head it could be a toss up but for me Ray in this fight put on a show we have never seen from Mayweather.

 

I dont trust anyone saying "hagler was not that much on the slide", "a supposedly faded Hagler" in an effort to build up their favorite fighter

that's when I know we're going to get a perfectly biased post

I just dont understand how anyone can believe that, let alone, try to persuade others of it

Regardless, Floyd was more proven, more consistent, with a far more proven record. No superlatives or buildup needed

and while Leonard couldnt cut it with younger, faster fighters, Floyd could and DID

At an age when Leonard wound up as victim to upcoming rivals, Floyd soared above the competition

Whatever Ray Leonard did, Floyd did better

 

Ray is a long way from being my fav fighter, I just saw two great fighters boxing brilliantly, and it persuaded me Ray is greater IMO. However happy for suggestions of a fight you see as Floyd's signature win that is comparable and I will watch that and compare.

Btw I see a few posters on here over rate several of Floyd's opponents who IMO were "clearly faded" when he faced them, however brilliantly he fought. Mayweather boxed well against Pacquiao, but Pacquiao did not box as well as Hagler did against Leonard.

 

You’re making the mistake of elevating one fighter for barely winning and downgrading the other for outclassing opponents. Leonard would’ve had to have easily beaten someone like James Toney at 35+ and at 168-175 for it to compare to Mayweather’s win over Canelo.

 

Don’t do this.

It’s so disingenuous.

Duran wasn’t a blown up Lightweight.

Duran is one of the greatest fighters of all time, who won a MW title almost 10 years later.

There was no shame in Ray losing to a prime great in Duran.


Yes, Floyd has an amazingly deep resume. But he never took the risks that Ray took, and he never saw a guy like a prime Duran in his whole career.

 

Don’t be ridiculous.

Of course he could have been beaten.

There were more than a few guys throughout history who were levels above the guys who you’ve mentioned, and especially the specific versions who Floyd fought.

 

You and No Neck are one and the same.

Context is absolutely alien to the pair of you.

He couldn’t dominate his opponents like Floyd did?

Well maybe, just MAYBE, it’s because he fought much BETTER opponents.

 

Floyd wasn’t beating a prime Leonard.

Have a word with yourself.

 

This is really easy I dont know why it has to be so difficult.

For each opponent Ray beat you put an opponent that Mayweather beat that you feel is on the same level as the opponent Ray Beat.

1. Unbeaten Wilfredo Bentiez
2. Unbeaten Thomas hearns
3. Unbeaten Ayube Kalue
4. Roberto Duran with one loss
5. Marvin Hagler

 

Ha!

How have you got the damn nerve to say that Leonard tilted things in his favour?

Do you really want me to list all of Floyd’s BS antics throughout his career?